Naturally, for the NRA this law makes everyone feel less safe so more people need guns to feel safe. Ca-ching!

Its all marketing!

Yes they do. If you can not qualify under what you just posted, you must legally retreat.

GZ is uncivilized? The guy who took a active leadership role to stop more scumbags from B&E in his community when they were plagued? The guy who took a different race to the prom? The guy who has for all practical purposes has a bounty on his head this helps truck crash victims? That's the description of a uncivilized person to you?

I wish we all lived in such a fantasy world as you do where someone matching the above is uncivilized and massive misplaced racist marches around the country covered by all major stations are unknown.

No comment needed to expose a olid racist...

No. My description of an uncivilized person is one who arms himself and then stalks people in the neighborhood. That is uncivilized.The marches are not unknown, but now that you mention it, you are one of the few people I've heard or read that mentioned them since Sunday. I'm thinking that they are a bigger deal to you than maybe they are to other people.

Lighten up. We disagree about some things. It's really not that big a deal.

So who armed themselves and "stalked people in their neighborhood?" If you are talking about GZ, I would enjoy very much seeing your evidence of that.

Let's break it down:

Was Zimmerman armed? Check.

Did he follow a person around? Check.

Statement substantiated.

Martin assaults Zimmerman Check. State Law Broken
Zimmerman kills Martin in self defense Check. No State Law Broken

Okay, so you too substantiate the statement. Thanks.

Unsubstantiated- Zimmerman profiled Martin

Jesse and Al- Zimmerman profiled Martin- No law broken

So in a place where crimes have been committed by perp's who's description is unchanging the person who the local community entrusts to assist the LEO in the form of a NBH watch is stalking someone who matches that description when they see them?

If someone who fit a description consistently broke into your house, your neighbors house and many other of your neighbors houses appeared to be cutting thru houses around yours and the nieghbor hood watch followed and reported them ... that is uncivilized? What should a person who walks around in their own neighborhood where B&E's regularly take place be allowed to be armed with according to you? A butterknife?

Get real; all the world is not like where you live.

:confused: I thought was Zimmerman's version of events. He would have used "followed" instead of "stalked," but what's the difference?

One thing I have learned from this discussion is that the duty to retreat is not nearly as universal as I thought. I still think it's the best rule, but stand-your-ground is not quite the radical change than I thought it was. I would be interested in seeing the history of the self-defense rule to see how often over the centuries the law has imposed a duty to retreat.

Even if Z HAD "followed someone around" it was only ONE person. The quote I was responding to, that you conveniently quoted me out of context, implied "people," in other words PLURAL. It was worded as if Z had a history of following people around every night.

Z was/is and idiot, but he did NOT make a habit of following people around. Even if he had, does this warrant not taking action to defend himself while his head was being pounded into concrete?

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