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Old 07-14-2013, 03:49 PM
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Three comments,
first, I agree with Tom W about the need for voice recognition on the screams--I also accept that the expert could not off er any help. Just saying--it would have been nice,.
second, Did anyone ever present a time and motion study? I wanted to see one of those from the first time I heard about this case. Plug in the know positions of the car and the buildings, and the time stamps from the 911 call, and see how that all works out. Again-it would have been nice to see that.
Third, I just read President Obama's comments, and applaud him for what he said. Seven posts above, PC quoted them but w/o attributing them to Obama.
I'm just a plagiarist at heart.

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Old 07-14-2013, 03:49 PM
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... and you are not the only one who missed much of the important facts of the case. If you are predisposed to favor the black minority in this case and you missed much of the facts of the case then you are more likely to shout, yell, burn cars, smash windows and otherwise riot and cause needless destruction and civil unrest- all because you are ignorant of the facts of the case.
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What evidence do you have which supports this conclusion?

Witnesses (called by the prosecution no less) testified that TM was on straddling on top (called a full mount- the most effective position to inflict maximum damage in the shortest amount of time in a fight) of GZ pummeling his head on a concrete. Did you miss that testimony as well as the impartial expert on voice recognition?
This what I was reading here too from him....... FACTS that were in the trial testimony in the case aren't known to all. That was my point too.....
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Old 07-14-2013, 04:00 PM
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Heck if the perp even burps in a tv or movie they can recognize the voice from satellite monitering of cell phone conversations! I saw it in Clear and Present Danger!

A time motion study would have helped too perhaps.

Its easy to say what should or could have been done, sitting here in front of my computer. But the reality is that people with the responsibility to get all the facts out for consideration did what they could and it did not result in a conviction.

I'm not gonna demonstrate on the streets nor go into mourning for TM. He might have been a punk, what do I know?

...but although a verdict has been rendered has justice been done? Perhaps or perhaps not. I suppose its the best that they could do.

It will be interesting to see if there is any follow up civil action.
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Old 07-14-2013, 04:07 PM
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Hence the rolleyes smilie. We really need a tongue in cheek one.
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Old 07-14-2013, 04:08 PM
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Ah, so we don't have one. Rats.
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Old 07-14-2013, 04:09 PM
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I'm just a plagiarist at heart.
I was not accusing you of that. ( I could say--we all knew they couldn't have been your words...but that would be mean)
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Old 07-14-2013, 04:12 PM
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I was not accusing you of that. ( I could say--we all knew they couldn't have been your words...but that would be mean)
LOL! You do have a good sense of humor, MS, I do have to give you that.
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Old 07-14-2013, 04:17 PM
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The trial might be over, but for Zimmerman this case will never be over.

First, a bit of financial info.... Broadcast TV can easily run $4,000 a minute to produce. If you are offered a live feed of something that folks might watch there is no way you are going to turn down free money. But to get the eyeballs you need to hype the trial. All the nets that did this and each is as guilty as the next.

So when people say this was a media circus they are not far off.

And even if you can't get your hands on the feed you can always come up with loony things to write about concerning the trial. Got a point of view you wish to push but you seem to be running out of new ways to do it? Grab on to Zimmerman and wring all the money out of him you can. The worst thing that can happen is that the trial will end and you will have to go back to making up stuff about other people.

So..... Zimmerman is going to be dealing with this for the rest of his life. I am sure he wishes the evening had not gone as it did, but it did and now he is an object of wonder. A free object because he is 'news' and everything he does until the day he dies and likely for months thereafter will be 'news'. And cheap news, too.

Zimmerman might think his days in the meat grinder are over, but I would bet they are just getting started.
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Old 07-14-2013, 04:28 PM
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Zimmerman might think his days in the meat grinder are over, but I would bet they are just getting started.
Ever hear of the Emmitt Till case in the 50s? 14-year old kid visiting relatives in Mississippi taken out, beaten, shot, and dumped in a river by some Klansmen after he made a pass at one of the Kluckers' wives. One of the things that brought serious attention to the civil rights movement.

The people responsible were acquitted by a jury, but even their supporters ostracized them after they confessed to a journalist. One of them owned a store. No one, black or white, segregationist or reformer, was interested in shopping there. Within a few years, his business went t*ts up. Went to Texas, got a job as a welder, went arc-blind. The other was a tenant farmer who couldn't get a loan if he got on his knees and begged.

It was an embarrassment for the state, a horrible crime. Plus even the worst racist pig has the following thought in the back of his mind: if he can kill a black kid so easily, will my kid be next? Both died broke, friendless, and relatively young in their 60s.

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Old 07-14-2013, 04:35 PM
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I am not asking who will prevail.

I saw a clip of the Z attorney sitting on top of a foam dummy shaking it so its head hit the floor. The dummy Must have weighed three pounds.

I'd like to see a demonstration of an average 5' 11 seventeen year old weighing 158# shaking a mature man weighing (what do you guess?) 230#. If I had been the prosecutor I would have been on that like ugly on ape.

I am still not buying that the kid could have killed Z that way....not even if their physical sizes had been reversed.
Z was something like 189 at the time of the incident.
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Z was something like 189 at the time of the incident.
"Z da Man!"

How DARE them damnn spearchunkin fnn punks wear hoodies........

Thats --ONLY- for us clansmen to -- not our targets.
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Old 07-14-2013, 04:51 PM
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Ever hear of the Emmitt Till case in the 50s? 14-year old kid visiting relatives in Mississippi taken out, beaten, shot, and dumped in a river by some Klansmen after he made a pass at one of the Kluckers' wives. One of the things that brought serious attention to the civil rights movement.

The people responsible were acquitted by a jury, but even their supporters ostracized them after they confessed to a journalist. One of them owned a store. No one, black or white, segregationist or reformer, was interested in shopping there. Within a few years, his business went t*ts up. The other was a tenant farmer who couldn't get a loan if he got on his knees and begged.

It was an embarrassment for the state, a horrible crime. Plus even the worst racist pig has the following thought in the back of his mind: if he can kill a black kid so easily, will my kid be next? Both died broke, friendless, and relatively young in their 60s.
To fully accept the Till situation as analogous to Zimmerman, you have to accept that Zimmerman went after Martin with a premeditated intent to harm Martin.
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Old 07-14-2013, 04:53 PM
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To fully accept the Till situation as analogous to Zimmerman, you have to accept that Zimmerman went after Martin with a premeditated intent to harm Martin.
Agreed. The point is, no one likes a child-killer, regardless of cause. I suspect that Zimmerman will find it very hard to find work or friends once the media circus dies down. Even his supporters will have "what if it's my kid lying on the sidewalk bleeding to death" in the back of their minds.
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Old 07-14-2013, 04:57 PM
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I am not asking who will prevail.

I saw a clip of the Z attorney sitting on top of a foam dummy shaking it so its head hit the floor. The dummy Must have weighed three pounds.

I'd like to see a demonstration of an average 5' 11 seventeen year old weighing 158# shaking a mature man weighing (what do you guess?) 230#. If I had been the prosecutor I would have been on that like ugly on ape.

I am still not buying that the kid could have killed Z that way....not even if their physical sizes had been reversed.
Here again, let me point out that the evidence presented at trial justified George Zimmerman's action of shooting the man, as reflected in the return of a "not guilty" verdict by the jury.
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Agreed. The point is, no one likes a child-killer, regardless of cause. I suspect that Zimmerman will find it very hard to find work or friends once the media circus dies down. Even his supporters will have "what if it's my kid lying on the sidewalk bleeding to death" in the back of their minds.
"child killer"?
You are kidding, right?

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