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Old 08-02-2013, 07:01 PM
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But but but a kid was killed for NO real reason. Lets attach a bunch of agendas to this in his honor and make change.

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Old 08-03-2013, 12:09 AM
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Comments like this are proof positive that GZ's life is at risk. There is no respect for the jury's and the court's decision which means GZs only viable option is to leave the country.

And, we can all rest easy knowing that the government is not going to provide GZ with any form of security or protection whatsoever.
Z seems to have protected Himself well enough. Now He just needs to carry enough Weapons to deal with Multiple assailants.
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Old 08-03-2013, 12:13 AM
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One needs to be careful in the world and avoid acts that can lead to infamy. GZ screwed up badly, not just a tiny screw up but a big one. If I were him, I'd work hard on disguise, change my name, and move to Chile or Paraguay.

I really, really doubt TM said "you're going to die tonight." The girlfriend's account is much more plausible to me than that of GZ.
Maybe Z hears little voices that no one else hears that tell Him stuff.
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Old 08-03-2013, 12:20 AM
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Here's an encouraging report on progress made since 2010 when the law was changed to eliminate the sentencing disparity between powder and crack cocaine: http://www.ussc.gov/Research_and_Statistics/Federal_Sentencing_Statistics/FSA_Amendment/2013-07_USSC_Prelim_Crack_Retro_Data_Report_FSA.pdf

We need to see more of that sort of thing.

Here's a left-winger's view of the report Slashing Racist Crack Sentences Has Already Saved 16K Prison Years And Half A Billion Dollars | ThinkProgress
I thought I had said I was OK with the Cocaine and Crack sentences being the same.
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Old 08-03-2013, 12:24 AM
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I thought I had said I was OK with the Cocaine and Crack sentences being the same.
I don't think they issued their report in response to your comment. It's actually of more general interest than that.
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Old 08-03-2013, 12:30 AM
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The guy has already been twice in the news since acquitted, looks like he's going the same path as Rodney King and O.J. I predict that within five years he will kill another person, be back in jail or some other miss fortune will happen to him. It's not going to end well.
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Old 08-03-2013, 12:33 AM
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Whup-Ass is OFFENSIVE while ASS Whippin' is DEFENSIVE. When someone says, "I am going to WHUP your ASS" they are on the offense. Getting your Ass Whipped means being on the receiving end of Whup Ass.

According to the girlfriend's testimony, TM was doing some Whup ASS to GZ. Combine what she said ON THE RECORD, BTW with GZ's statement that TM told him, "You are going to DIE tonight" and the event becomes crystal clear.

Take off the information filters and listen carefully.......


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It is still not clear to Me. When I was a Kid I remember having a fight with a Guy. It seemed to Me like for every one Punch I landed on Him I got 6 back. I knew I was losing the fight and thought I was getting My Ass Wiped and I was going to cut and run.

Suddenly the other Guy gave up???; and I was glad He did.

I did not chase after Him and nor did I gloat or boast over the incident afterwards. I told none of My Peers about it either.
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Old 08-03-2013, 12:41 AM
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It is still not clear to Me. When I was a Kid I remember having a fight with a Guy. It seemed to Me like for every one Punch I landed on Him I got 6 back. I knew I was losing the fight and thought I was getting My Ass Wiped and I was going to cut and run.

Suddenly the other Guy gave up???; and I was glad He did.

I did not chase after Him and nor did I gloat or boast over the incident afterwards. I told none of My Peers about it either.
Landing a punch takes a lot of energy out of you and a guy that withstands six blows is a scary mofo. I think I would run too.
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Old 08-03-2013, 12:56 AM
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How about her relationship with Trayvon?
Didn't you call her his girlfriend?
How many dates had they been on?

Although it has already been answered, just to humor you, I'll post it again....
I have no issue with the verdict.
The jury decided the only way they could with the evidence which was presented to them in the courtroom.
It is not their job to guess or decide based upon what they 'think' actually happened, they need to decide based upon the evidence which is presented.
I think they did a fine job.

cir·cum·stan·tial

cir·cum·stan·tial [sùrkəm stánsh'l]
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1. based on inference: containing or based on facts that allow a court to deduce that somebody is guilty without conclusive proof circumstantial evidence
2. special: related to particular circumstances 3. formal: with a great deal of formality and ceremony 4. detailed: thorough and very detailed

The Jury apparently only wanted to deal with what was conclusively proved.

From reading all of these threads it is clear that Z thought His life was threatened and Shot. That was not Murder.

But, when I read the Florida Manslaughter Law there was a passage that included causing the death of a Minor.
(Notice the Law did not say their was an intent to Kill ore even purposely harm the Minor but doing something that caused the death of a Minor.)

So I felt there was circumstantial evidence to the effect that Z started the chain of events that lead to T the Minors Death. To Me that fit the Passage in the Law I spoke of.

The Jury chose not to deal with that and/or the Prosecutor presented that poorly.
But, the comments that the Jurors made after the Trial indicate that some of them thought Z had some responsibility for what happened.
Apparently a lot of the General Public does also.
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Old 08-03-2013, 01:06 AM
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Landing a punch takes a lot of energy out of you and a guy that withstands six blows is a scary mofo. I think I would run too.
Well We where Kids not professional Boxers. We were not injuring each other. Although I always ended up with a Bloody Lips in any fight I had when I was a kid. I guess I did not have enough sense to move My Head out of the way.

I can't remember what started the Fight and while the Guy was someone that went to My Elementary School I never had Him in any of My Classes so I did not know Him.
I did not even know his first Name.
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It is still not clear to Me. When I was a Kid I remember having a fight with a Guy. It seemed to Me like for every one Punch I landed on Him I got 6 back. I knew I was losing the fight and thought I was getting My Ass Wiped and I was going to cut and run.

Suddenly the other Guy gave up???; and I was glad He did.

I did not chase after Him and nor did I gloat or boast over the incident afterwards. I told none of My Peers about it either.
TM was on top of GZ pounding his head into the side walk while telling him, "You are going to DIE tonight". TM was doing some Whup Ass to GZs head whereas GZ was getting his Ass Whipped. BTW, a head injury can get you killed fairly easily.

Sounds like an interesting fight you had with the guy. I've seen that type of behavior before, for no apparent reason one fighter drops the fight and walks off.
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Old 08-03-2013, 01:17 AM
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cir·cum·stan·tial

cir·cum·stan·tial [sùrkəm stánsh'l]
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1. based on inference: containing or based on facts that allow a court to deduce that somebody is guilty without conclusive proof circumstantial evidence
2. special: related to particular circumstances 3. formal: with a great deal of formality and ceremony 4. detailed: thorough and very detailed

The Jury apparently only wanted to deal with what was conclusively proved.

From reading all of these threads it is clear that Z thought His life was threatened and Shot. That was not Murder.

But, when I read the Florida Manslaughter Law there was a passage that included causing the death of a Minor.
(Notice the Law did not say their was an intent to Kill ore even purposely harm the Minor but doing something that caused the death of a Minor.)

So I felt there was circumstantial evidence to the effect that Z started the chain of events that lead to T the Minors Death. To Me that fit the Passage in the Law I spoke of.

The Jury chose not to deal with that and/or the Prosecutor presented that poorly.
But, the comments that the Jurors made after the Trial indicate that some of them thought Z had some responsibility for what happened.
Apparently a lot of the General Public does also.
Perhaps, but TM was man enough to throw out the first punch. Then, TM was man enough to take GZ down to the ground where he proceeded to pound his head into the concrete. GZs mistake was getting out of the vehicle and following TM, plain and simple.

You never know what people are going to do nowadays, there are some certified nut cases and the less interaction with them the better. The lesson is if you see someone suspicious in the area never get out of your car to follow them, leave the area immediately. If the dude breaks into someone's house or apartment, they can always dial 911 and wait.
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Old 08-03-2013, 01:24 AM
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I don't think they issued their report in response to your comment. It's actually of more general interest than that.
Well, gee You posted the info and I responded to that.

Except that I think they should have elevated the sentence on the Cocaine Charge to the same as the Racist Crack Charge was. That would have also made the Law more racially fair.

Maybe even elevate the Meth use charge to the same also if it is already not up there.

Meth messed up one of My past Girlfriends Heart and She died at 42 years old from a Heart attack. (5l Years before She died She was out on Probation having served 1/2 of a 3 year sentence for a non-drug issue but went back to Jail to due to Her Drug use; violated Probation and served the rest of Her sentence.)
The exact same death happened to another Meth user Women I knew except She was 47 years old.
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Old 08-03-2013, 01:24 AM
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[SIZE=3]TM was on top of GZ pounding his head into the side walk while telling him, "You are going to DIE tonight". TM was doing some Whup Ass to GZs head whereas GZ was getting his Ass Whipped. BTW, a head injury can get you killed fairly easily.

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I didn't know you were there.
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Old 08-03-2013, 01:33 AM
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Perhaps, but TM was man enough to throw out the first punch. Then, TM was man enough to take GZ down to the ground where he proceeded to pound his head into the concrete. GZs mistake was getting out of the vehicle and following TM, plain and simple.

You never know what people are going to do nowadays, there are some certified nut cases and the less interaction with them the better. The lesson is if you see someone suspicious in the area never get out of your car to follow them, leave the area immediately. If the dude breaks into someone's house or apartment, they can always dial 911 and wait.
I agree with that. But, Z went beyond that common sense and totally disregarded the "Watch" instructions and what the 911 Operator said. To Me that made Him Negligent. 2. law guilty of negligence: guilty of failing to provide a proper or reasonable level of care.
I say that because He was not doing His job as a Neighbor Hood Watch correctly.

But, perhaps what He did was more Civil Court issue than a Criminal one.


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