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cmac2012 · #1 09-25-2013, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

I agree that immediate family disruption will lead to a general downward trend in most people. How far back you wish to take that goes way too deep into speculation for me when you say that someone's great great great grandfather was a slave so the family was disrupted and so I can see why this person is poor/uneducated/likely to commit crimes etc. It then becomes an excuse IMHO. Tens of millions of non black families have been disrupted and we don't give them that excuse. How about the mass of Irish which came and had family disruptions? Or the Vietnamese? Or the Chinese?

I guess I can imagine some other "blacks" (are the people in the pic "black"?) would not object- but I would- and many others would. I don't use skin color to make a determination of what one person is allowed to do/not do- nor do I approve of anyone using skin color as a basis for discrimination.

We cannot influence other nations much as individuals here in the USA- but as a whole we can. We as a people need to stand up, come together, and NEVER allow people to discriminate by skin color- no matter what the good intentions are.

I agree that it's not good for people to excuse their own failings, laziness, etc. on something that happened generations ago. But that doesn't mean that there isn't some effect. Irish immigrants did not have their families regularly pulled apart, with various members sent far and wide, and in that day, a family member on a farm 30 miles away may as well have been in Tasmania, particularly regarding slaves. This went on for a century or two, and the Jim Crow era was not exactly a new day in all ways.

Your splitting hairs on the word black regarding the albinos you pictured is on the edge of obnoxious, sorry to tell you. Not sure why you're so obsessed with the issue. Regarding the incident that you described in the OP, I'd go with the advice of Lao Tzu:

He who is wise keeps silent, he who advises is a fool.

A bit of irony here as I'm giving advice just by saying it. Somehow it seems different in this setting, that is, anonymous and at some distance.

aklim · #2 09-25-2013, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

I agree that it's not good for people to excuse their own failings, laziness, etc. on something that happened generations ago. But that doesn't mean that there isn't some effect. Irish immigrants did not have their families regularly pulled apart, with various members sent far and wide, and in that day, a family member on a farm 30 miles away may as well have been in Tasmania, particularly regarding slaves. This went on for a century or two, and the Jim Crow era was not exactly a new day in all ways.

Somehow it seems different in this setting, that is, anonymous and at some distance.

So when do you put all that aside and try to work towards a better future? History is rather fascinating but meaningless from the standpoint that circumstances change and using it to predict the future is a SWAG at best. Not to say your blind squirrel cannot find a nut every now and then. It matters little what put you in the hole. First action is to find a way out or make it better. Helping you only goes so far. Sure, I can open the door but if you refuse to walk thru, I cannot help you. The Japanese could pull themselves out of their hole. Remember when they made junk and were predicted to always be a junk pile? Today, if it wasn't for the Bush-Obama Bailout, What would the Big 3 be again?

Only to a person's mind which plays tricks on them often.

cmac2012 · #3 09-26-2013, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

So when do you put all that aside and try to work towards a better future? History is rather fascinating but meaningless from the standpoint that circumstances change and using it to predict the future is a SWAG at best. Not to say your blind squirrel cannot find a nut every now and then. It matters little what put you in the hole. First action is to find a way out or make it better. Helping you only goes so far. Sure, I can open the door but if you refuse to walk thru, I cannot help you. The Japanese could pull themselves out of their hole. Remember when they made junk and were predicted to always be a junk pile? Today, if it wasn't for the Bush-Obama Bailout, What would the Big 3 be again?

Only to a person's mind which plays tricks on them often.

I'd say that's ongoing at this point in time. Plenty of blacks have done the bootstraps routine and are the better for it. Many others have not.

When trying to cure disease, doctors generally like to know a little about a patient's history.

aklim · #4 09-26-2013, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

I'd say that's ongoing at this point in time. Plenty of blacks have done the bootstraps routine and are the better for it. Many others have not.

When trying to cure disease, doctors generally like to know a little about a patient's history.

Sink or swim.

Only this is not curable. Just move on and do the best you can. Focussing on the past does little if anything.

MTUpower · #5 09-26-2013, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

I agree that it's not good for people to excuse their own failings, laziness, etc. on something that happened generations ago. But that doesn't mean that there isn't some effect. Irish immigrants did not have their families regularly pulled apart, with various members sent far and wide, and in that day, a family member on a farm 30 miles away may as well have been in Tasmania, particularly regarding slaves. This went on for a century or two, and the Jim Crow era was not exactly a new day in all ways.

Your splitting hairs on the word black regarding the albinos you pictured is on the edge of obnoxious, sorry to tell you. Not sure why you're so obsessed with the issue. Regarding the incident that you described in the OP, I'd go with the advice of Lao Tzu:

He who is wise keeps silent, he who advises is a fool.

A bit of irony here as I'm giving advice just by saying it. Somehow it seems different in this setting, that is, anonymous and at some distance.

Please define "black".
Here's one- To be considered black in the United States not even half of one's ancestry must be African black. But will one-fourth do, or one-eighth, or less? The nation's answer to the question 'Who is black?" has long been that a black is any person with any known African black ancestry. This definition reflects the long experience with slavery and later with Jim Crow segregation. In the South it became known as the "one-drop rule,'' meaning that a single drop of "black blood" makes a person a black. It is also known as the "one black ancestor rule," some courts have called it the "traceable amount rule," and anthropologists call it the "hypo-descent rule," meaning that racially mixed persons are assigned the status of the subordinate group. ...

By this definition my whole family is black; and far more people are "black" than anyone thinks.

Are you saying Irish families were not "disrupted" during the potato famine and again when it appeared it would return in 1879?

Obnoxious? Really? It's a simple point that "black" people don't have to have a dark skin color; or look "black" to you. Something tells me you think that all "black" people are, um... black!
I submit that categorizing people by race is subjective to each individual person- who chooses to categorize them. You CAN choose to not do this.