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Old 11-17-2013, 08:13 AM
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About time. It's a shame it took this long for them to bring charges against him. I'm not black, but I have a hard time wondering whether race did not influence the initial lack of urgency by law enforcement in the days following the event.
Or maybe race was part of the reason to charge him in that it won't become another Travon Martin issue.

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Old 11-17-2013, 03:24 PM
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Or maybe race was part of the reason to charge him in that it won't become another Travon Martin issue.
Fair enough - that's another way of looking at it.
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Old 11-17-2013, 03:30 PM
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What would you test him for alcohol for? He is at his own home and you can't say he couldn't drink at home. We can say that she shouldn't be in the car at 3X the legal limit and be toking.
My only problem with this is that the initial reaction by LEO was that no law was broken, and hence there is nothing to investigate. However, now that they have pressed charges, this is a crucial bit of evidence that was ignored. As such, we well never fully know his physical/mental state as they did not administer a drug/alcohol test.
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Old 11-17-2013, 03:35 PM
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Everyone is on a tight budget, overworked, and understaffed.

A home owner case like this requires investigation, not media hysterics, before any arrest..

Too many jurisdictions have been firing prosecutors that jump, then think oops, and suddenly there is a massive quiet settlement.

Regardless of media pressure:
No Michigan city, county, or state prosecutor willingly jumps into that chipper shredder in todays economy..


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I don't disagree with your POV; however, likewise the state should be concerned about negligence suits brought about by families of the victims where LEO initially failed to secure a potential crime scene and/or detain the would be perp.
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I suspect his best chance from a legal perspective is to state the gun went off accidentally when he tripped or otherwise. Since she was shot at some distance according to what has been published. Legally otherwise he is in pretty bad shape I suspect.

Now it appears to have been a locked screen door. One would think he had no reason to open it. Or she would not enter even if it was with a guy showing a shotgun on the other side.

He does not look like a nut job on his court appearance but looks can also be deceiving.
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I don't think he was "out for blood" if that's what you mean by "nutjob." Just a scared little man without any experience with use of a gun outside the firing range, and he either was startled, frightened, or genuinely fired by accident.
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Old 11-17-2013, 10:35 PM
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Just a scared little man without any experience with use of a gun outside the firing range, and he either was startled, frightened, or genuinely fired by accident.
How do you know that? Obviously we all can't be the "He Man" try to portray you are. It is difficult to be woken up and have to worry if you are going to go out in a box or not. I was much younger when we did that and even then it was difficult to be woken up and have to perform tasks. Much more so when you have to make a split second decision that could either have you carried by 6 or tried by 12 in this case. Do YOU think that YOU could perform well if you were startled out of bed and asked to go make those decisions? Paper targets at the range are very nice but they don't shoot back. I would love to see how well you do in real conditions or I suspect, how poorly you would do.
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Why open the door if you're terrified?
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Could end up becoming a Homecoming party for the shooter.

Says he was born in Marquette, Michigan.

If convicted, perhaps MDOC administration will ship him up over the bridge, and back to his hometown-which still has an 1860 circa Maximum Security Penitentary located within the city proper.
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Why open the door if you're terrified?
Could it be she spooked him with her disheveled appearance? As I said, at 0300, it can get ugly fast when you open the door to something that looks like it is drunk or stoned. I suspect that he told her to go and she left and made a sudden move that triggered him. Hence the NOT point blank range. He was probably already jacked up at that point and she did something to spook him hence the shooting. As I said, not everybody is a big and tough as you. Some of us are mere humans.
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Could it be she spooked him with her disheveled appearance? As I said, at 0300, it can get ugly fast when you open the door to something that looks like it is drunk or stoned. I suspect that he told her to go and she left and made a sudden move that triggered him. Hence the NOT point blank range. He was probably already jacked up at that point and she did something to spook him hence the shooting. As I said, not everybody is a big and tough as you. Some of us are mere humans.
If the person looked like that through the door peephole, why open the door?
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Old 11-18-2013, 02:45 AM
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If the person looked like that through the door peephole, why open the door?
Sorry, I didn't know there was a peep hole. My door didn't come with one. Like I said, probably told her to get the hell off his property and she was going to do that till she turned around and spooked him, hence the face shot.
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Sorry, I didn't know there was a peep hole. My door didn't come with one. Like I said, probably told her to get the hell off his property and she was going to do that till she turned around and spooked him, hence the face shot.
Surely, if you're concerned enough about security to own a firearm, you'd have a rudimentary security precaution like a door peephole installed.
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Old 11-18-2013, 02:50 AM
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Surely, if you're concerned enough about security to own a firearm, you'd have a rudimentary security precaution like a door peephole installed.
I guess I don't make those assumptions. I could also assume he had a webcam at the door if he is concerned.
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There are so many possibilities. Perhaps he told her to go away and she did not comprehend the request in her inebriated state. That is still no reason to shoot her in the head with a shotgun.

I almost guess you would have to be there at the time to understand. Mr hunter stated that it is a pretty bad area of Detroit as well. That to me is really a contributor..

Still to me it would take a lot to shoot someone outside my home if I had a gun and they had no obvious weapon. If by some situation I still had to it would be a leg area wound. I wonder even if he called his wife to dial 911 before the shooting.

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