Drunk girl crashes car, then asks for help and is shot...shooter isn't reprimanded? - Page 3 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

ruchase · #31 11-16-2013, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Skippy

I'm pretty sure the legal age of adulthood in Michigan (and 49 other states) is 18.

To clarify - I meant the mental state of most 19yos is very much like that of a child.

Between the ages of 18-21, there is certainly grey area as to when a person is considered an adult - the most common example being the sale of alcohol. ln some cases persons under 21 may lack contractual capacity and are therefore considered a minor; hence needing an adult (like a parent) to be a guarantor.

t walgamuth · #32 11-16-2013, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by whunter

Ignoring the hysterical ranting...

There has been ongoing investigation.

Today arrest and charges.

There is IMO not enough public data for any informed decision.

The area is bad, forced entry break in and murder are common.

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This. There is not enough info in the op to give me any feel for what actually happened. It looks bad but really there are some plausible scenarios I can imagine where it could have occurred accidentally.

spdrun · #33 11-16-2013, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ruchase

To clarify - I meant the mental state of most 19yos is very much like that of a child.

Between the ages of 18-21, there is certainly grey area as to when a person is considered an adult - the most common example being the sale of alcohol. ln some cases persons under 21 may lack contractual capacity and are therefore considered a minor; hence needing an adult (like a parent) to be a guarantor.

It doesn't MATTER whether she was 19, 39, or 59 -- she was a HUMAN BEING who was killed.

MTI · #34 11-16-2013, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

Probably not in New York

Unless you're NYPD

Jim B. · #35 11-16-2013, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MTI

Unless you're NYPD

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aklim · #36 11-16-2013, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

I've had drunk neighbors who had just moved in bang on my door after midnight to invite me to a party and ask if I had any beer left (true story). I didn't shoot at them or even call the cops.

That might be you but not everybody assumes that the banging on the door is friendly nor is it always prudent. If you don't identify yourself as a cop, you have no business banging on my door at that hour. Best case scenario is I toss a bucket of water at you. It is plain rude.

aklim · #37 11-16-2013, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ruchase

To clarify - I meant the mental state of most 19yos is very much like that of a child.

Between the ages of 18-21, there is certainly grey area as to when a person is considered an adult - the most common example being the sale of alcohol. ln some cases persons under 21 may lack contractual capacity and are therefore considered a minor; hence needing an adult (like a parent) to be a guarantor.

So 19 is ok for legal purposes except when it comes to taking responsibility?

MTUpower · #38 11-16-2013, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

If he felt really uncomfortable, why did he answer the door, gun or none, instead of calling the cops?

Cops in Detroit? Oh they will be right there!

MTUpower · #39 11-16-2013, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

Come with a loaded weapon? Fine. Open the door with the weapon aimed and your finger on the trigger? Not OK.

Yeah cuz a loaded weapon should never be aimed.

barry12345 · #40 11-16-2013, 01:48 PM

I went through a similar situation without the shooting involved. An intoxicated woman had jumped out of a moving car and knocked on our door at about three in the morning. My wife heard me talking to the woman at the door and got up as well.

I think she felt it was in about the same category as a woman calling on the phone and hanging up if the wife answered. Common female ploy to rile the waters.

Anyways I gave her three options. I would call a cab or the police by her choice. Even medical services if she felt she wanted them. I saw it was a woman apparently alone before I opened the door. If there where anything I felt to be seriously out of the ordinary or dangerous I just would not have opened the door but talked through it.

What really bothers me is if whoever shot the young lady had problems with security or whatever. Why did he or she open the door at all? As another member or two mentioned there are many details that are unknown at this point. Possibly to remain unknown.

spdrun · #41 11-16-2013, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Yeah cuz a loaded weapon should never be aimed.

Not unless you're ready to shoot something.

ruchase · #42 11-16-2013, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

It doesn't MATTER whether she was 19, 39, or 59 -- she was a HUMAN BEING who was killed.

I agree completely - my point is simply to state that we all did stupid things when we were young/immature - like drink too much and make bad decisions. The argument that she was drunk and maybe acting rowdy, hence leading to her demise is flawed at best - it is no excuse for her being gunned down.

ruchase · #43 11-16-2013, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

So 19 is ok for legal purposes except when it comes to taking responsibility?

Not quite - had she not be gunned down - she should've been arrested and faced serious charges (as an adult) for DUI and reckless endangering. However, that's a moot point now that she's dead.

aklim · #44 11-16-2013, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

Depends on the person. Some never do, some are adults at age 14.

Anyway, unless she was threatening his life, he had NO RIGHT to gun her down or for that matter answer the door with a gun aimed at her and ready to fire.

In 2001 or so, I still didn't have a cell phone and I was driving home for Thanksgiving from college through rural NJ south of Flemington. Skidded out on something in the road, ended up stuck in a farmer's field at 1 am. I knocked on his door, and he ended up helping me get the car unstuck by hauling it out with his truck. No major damage other than to my pride.

Should he have come to the door with an itchy finger on the trigger of a shotgun because he could in America?

So what is it you propose? Have it both ways? When it suits you, you are an adult, when it doesn't, well, you are still a child? Hell, at that rate, I can sleep with a 12 yo child and say "well, I am a 40 yo man but really, I am a 13 yo so it is probably ok".

You know this how? You were there? There was a mark on her head that said "I am a harmless drunk"? You have no clue at that moment if she was high on PCP or just drunk or just plain insane. Just because you prefer to err on the side of the other person and risk your life doesn't mean everyone should.

Ah, but what was your state at that point? Had it been in the wee hours of the morning and you were unsteady, it gives me one picture. OTOH, if you were sober and walking calmly towards the door, knock on it and not sound like you are out of your mind, it is another issue.

I would have if you came to my door at some unholy hour of the night. I don't know if you are who you say you are or someone trying to gain entry and do something nasty. Better I be cautious than dead.