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Old 11-15-2013, 03:34 PM
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I'd prefer to put one foot in front of the other and walk until I found an open store or business or could get a clear signal for the phone. Knocking on a stranger's door isn't worth it, especially if it turns into a shooting.
Or better yet, how about this. Not get so blind stinking drunk and high and be the girl your family said you were and smart about it? Get a designated driver or get a cab home or whatever.
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Darwinism in action. I'm glad she didn't kill someone while she was driving drunk- nearly three times over the limit with weed in her system as well. If you are really drunk who the f*** knows what you did on someone's property at 3am? Sorry but I side with the homeowner until further facts come out.
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If he felt really uncomfortable, why did he answer the door, gun or none, instead of calling the cops?
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If he felt really uncomfortable, why did he answer the door, gun or none, instead of calling the cops?
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Old 11-15-2013, 02:59 PM
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Her family's lawyer is saying that he called 9-11, then went and opened the door and "blew her head off." Also that his door had been locked (of course) and that there was no sign of attempted forcible entry. He shot her, essentially, because she was drunk and making noise on his porch.
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Old 11-15-2013, 03:55 PM
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aklim, I think the distinction is going all "Yosemite Sam" regardless of the hour.
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Old 11-15-2013, 05:51 PM
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It seems folks are forgetting the victim was a child - 19yo for heavens sake. How many stupid things have you done when you were a teenager?

That she was drunk and had THC in her system is still no reason for her to be gunned down by this guy. Only after much pressure from the community is the PD even seeking charges against the guy.
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It seems folks are forgetting the victim was a child - 19yo for heavens sake. How many stupid things have you done when you were a teenager?
I'm pretty sure the legal age of adulthood in Michigan (and 49 other states) is 18.
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I'm pretty sure the legal age of adulthood in Michigan (and 49 other states) is 18.
To clarify - I meant the mental state of most 19yos is very much like that of a child.

Between the ages of 18-21, there is certainly grey area as to when a person is considered an adult - the most common example being the sale of alcohol. ln some cases persons under 21 may lack contractual capacity and are therefore considered a minor; hence needing an adult (like a parent) to be a guarantor.
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To clarify - I meant the mental state of most 19yos is very much like that of a child.

Between the ages of 18-21, there is certainly grey area as to when a person is considered an adult - the most common example being the sale of alcohol. ln some cases persons under 21 may lack contractual capacity and are therefore considered a minor; hence needing an adult (like a parent) to be a guarantor.
It doesn't MATTER whether she was 19, 39, or 59 -- she was a HUMAN BEING who was killed.
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It doesn't MATTER whether she was 19, 39, or 59 -- she was a HUMAN BEING who was killed.
I agree completely - my point is simply to state that we all did stupid things when we were young/immature - like drink too much and make bad decisions. The argument that she was drunk and maybe acting rowdy, hence leading to her demise is flawed at best - it is no excuse for her being gunned down.
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It doesn't MATTER whether she was 19, 39, or 59 -- she was a HUMAN BEING who was killed.
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To clarify - I meant the mental state of most 19yos is very much like that of a child.

Between the ages of 18-21, there is certainly grey area as to when a person is considered an adult - the most common example being the sale of alcohol. ln some cases persons under 21 may lack contractual capacity and are therefore considered a minor; hence needing an adult (like a parent) to be a guarantor.
So 19 is ok for legal purposes except when it comes to taking responsibility?
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I went through a similar situation without the shooting involved. An intoxicated woman had jumped out of a moving car and knocked on our door at about three in the morning. My wife heard me talking to the woman at the door and got up as well.

I think she felt it was in about the same category as a woman calling on the phone and hanging up if the wife answered. Common female ploy to rile the waters.

Anyways I gave her three options. I would call a cab or the police by her choice. Even medical services if she felt she wanted them. I saw it was a woman apparently alone before I opened the door. If there where anything I felt to be seriously out of the ordinary or dangerous I just would not have opened the door but talked through it.

What really bothers me is if whoever shot the young lady had problems with security or whatever. Why did he or she open the door at all? As another member or two mentioned there are many details that are unknown at this point. Possibly to remain unknown.
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So 19 is ok for legal purposes except when it comes to taking responsibility?
Not quite - had she not be gunned down - she should've been arrested and faced serious charges (as an adult) for DUI and reckless endangering. However, that's a moot point now that she's dead.
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