WTF?

[Txjake]

Do we really want this CRAP? Call your congressperson...

NHTSA May Mandate That New Cars Broadcast Location, Direction and Speed | CNS News

[spdrun]

Guess I'll be keeping my 240D for life if the signifying PoS in the article pic has his way. This being said, no reason why the system can't be anonymous, since collision avoidance only requires knowing vehicles' locations, sizes, speed, and direction. It doesn't matter that VIN #XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX is there, just that a vehicle is there and taking up a certain amount of space.

It's also not terribly useful for tracking, since this is short-distance communication. Mandating something like On*Star that communicates via the mobile network continuously would be a lot more effective for tracking.

[SwampYankee]

Big Brother is watching. What could go wrong?

All the more reason to drive old, pre-computer stuff.

Where's my tinfoil!

[aklim]

Originally Posted by SwampYankee

All the more reason to drive old, pre-computer stuff.

I'm not sure I follow you. It does say that there are experiments to RETROFIT cars that don't have it. So what is to say they cannot say "All new cars must have it. Your old POS, if it moves, has to have one."? I mean, can I say "Well, I have an old car that was made before license plates so I don't have to put one on."? My ATV came without plates. WI and other states mandated a plate.
The rest of the cars were retrofitted with the sort of V2V equipment that would go into cars that were already on the road before the technology became available. - See more at: NHTSA May Mandate That New Cars Broadcast Location, Direction and Speed | CNS News

The rest of the cars were retrofitted with the sort of V2V equipment that would go into cars that were already on the road before the technology became available. - See more at: NHTSA May Mandate That New Cars Broadcast Location, Direction and Speed | CNS News


The rest of the cars were retrofitted with the sort of V2V equipment that would go into cars that were already on the road before the technology became available. - See more at: NHTSA May Mandate That New Cars Broadcast Location, Direction and Speed | CNS News

[dynalow]

Originally Posted by Txjake

Do we really want this CRAP? Call your congressperson...

NHTSA May Mandate That New Cars Broadcast Location, Direction and Speed | CNS News

WTF indeed Jake.
From the administration that loves to gather data and listen in on phone calls. Meta data gathering to the next level.

Yaw rate? Number of passingers in the vehicle?

Hmmmm... What would be the interval between speeding tickets? Once a day? Once an hour? Once on the same trip, same road, regardless of distance? Every time you go above the posted limit, regardless of time intervals? Think about the revenue opportunities!

[spdrun]

Interestingly, this kind of info isn't used for tickets now. In theory, EZ-Pass could be used to ticket people via times between toll gates, but in practice, it never happens since the backlash would be huge.

(EZ-Pass does ticket or drop accounts for speeding, but only for speeding through toll booths themselves.)

[dynalow]

Originally Posted by spdrun

Interestingly, this kind of info isn't used for tickets now. In theory, EZ-Pass could be used to ticket people via times between toll gates, but in practice, it never happens since the backlash would be huge.

(EZ-Pass does ticket or drop accounts for speeding, but only for speeding through toll booths themselves.)

This is true. One wonders: Could it be changed by "Executive Order"?

(Around here no one slows to 15mph (?) going through the EZ pass only toll booths, including me for the most part. 20-30 is about as slow as most people travel thru them, if that.)

[spdrun]

Originally Posted by dynalow

This is true. One wonders: Could it be changed by "Executive Order"?

No, because ticketing is up to the states -- there's no National Highway Patrol.

[dynalow]

Originally Posted by spdrun

No, because ticketing is up to the states -- there's no National Highway Patrol.

Of course. Silly me. ...............


Yet.

[cmac2012]

Originally Posted by spdrun

Interestingly, this kind of info isn't used for tickets now. In theory, EZ-Pass could be used to ticket people via times between toll gates, but in practice, it never happens since the backlash would be huge.

(EZ-Pass does ticket or drop accounts for speeding, but only for speeding through toll booths themselves.)

We have FasTrak for the bridge tolls around here - a 25 mph speed limit is posted. I usually slow to 35 or 40, I often see people going faster than that. I've never been contacted about it nor have I heard of anyone else getting grief about it. I suspect they are wary of discouraging people from using it as plenty of people don't as it is. I don't get it. I often save 5, 10 minutes or more not to mention wear and tear on brakes and clutch.

[aklim]

Originally Posted by cmac2012

We have FasTrak for the bridge tolls around here - a 25 mph speed limit is posted. I usually slow to 35 or 40, I often see people going faster than that. I've never been contacted about it nor have I heard of anyone else getting grief about it. I suspect they are wary of discouraging people from using it as plenty of people don't as it is. I don't get it. I often save 5, 10 minutes or more not to mention wear and tear on brakes and clutch.

I suspect that the initial outlay might have to do with it. I bought a transponder for the IL tollway and you have to pay for the device and then you have to load it up. So you are up to say $50 NOW whereas a toll is $2. TWICE what it costs with the transponder. However, remember after Katrina, people were dumping their trucks and SUV or whatever THAT IS PAID FOR in order to get a new one with higher insurance rates and a car payment, all for the smaller sticker shock at the pump?

[link]

There are mixed issues. According to the article this is a step towards autonomous vehicles – meaning that they dive themselves. I consider that to be a good thing. However since the generation of vehicles being introduced do not and will never drive themselves there is little reason for the technology to be in place, even tho they suggest it is for evaluation and evolution of the systems in place.

If someone carries a recent smart phone or other similar tech with them, their movements can already be tracked.

But the relentless intrusion into our privacy continues. I know there are arguments that state people on public hiways have no privacy, but this opens the door to automatic ticketing for speeding, or other similar violations, and minute by minute tracking of where we are and if someone is with us, but the article claims not who is in the vehicle.

Sadly, this is not even a political issue but one of perceived necessity by both major parties who direct an increasingly overbearing .gov.

NHTSA has no plans to modify the current V2V system design in a way that would enable the government or private entities to track individual motor vehicles,” a NHTSA spokesman told CNSNews.com.

Sure, it can't be hacked or modified. That is a real thigh slapper of a joke.

A good read. Thanks for the post.

[spdrun]

I have at best mixed feelings about automated cars. Good on paper, but they'll also enable those dumb arseholes who want to live in BFE, Pennsyltucky and commute 3 hr into the city by car every day, since they can do work while driving, eating Doritos, and becoming morbidly obese.

I can see more interesting applications for unmanned vehicles. Imagine a vehicle roughly the size of a motorcycle that can weave through traffic, approach houses, and have an articulated arm to do express package deliveries, for example.

This being said, V2V shouldn't be needed for automated cars, since they need to be able to react to non-car objects (pedestrians, animals, debris), as well as cars where the signal is blocked or the system is broken. It also seems forward to mandate a specific system when self-driving cars aren't even yet at the VHS-vs-Betamax stage and tech will change rapidly.

[link]

Originally Posted by spdrun

I have at best mixed feelings about automated cars. Good on paper, but they'll also enable those dumb arseholes who want to live in BFE, Pennsyltucky and commute 3 hr into the city by car every day, since they can do work while driving

That is a problem, because...?

I can see more interesting applications for unmanned vehicles. Imagine a vehicle roughly the size of a motorcycle that can weave through traffic, approach houses, and have an articulated arm to do express package deliveries, for example.

Well, yes, perhaps on paper, but in the working world, it is no a good idea to antagonize the neighborhood, so to speak.

This being said, V2V shouldn't be needed for automated cars, since they need to be able to react to non-car objects (pedestrians, animals, debris), as well as cars where the signal is blocked or the system is broken.

Not true. A system such as that would rely on V2V plus external radar or equivalent, and possibly a 3rd system as well. But i do agree that the article doesn't do a good job of describing the utility of V2V tech.

It also seems forward to mandate a specific system when self-driving cars aren't even yet at the VHS-vs-Betamax stage and tech will change rapidly.

I agree with this.

[spdrun]

Originally Posted by link

That is a problem, because...?

Environmental and energy-use reasons for one thing. We should be encouraging walkable development, not more sprawl.