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Old 11-20-2013, 08:31 AM
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Do we really want this CRAP? Call your congressperson...

NHTSA May Mandate That New Cars Broadcast Location, Direction and Speed | CNS News

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Old 11-20-2013, 08:45 AM
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Guess I'll be keeping my 240D for life if the signifying PoS in the article pic has his way. This being said, no reason why the system can't be anonymous, since collision avoidance only requires knowing vehicles' locations, sizes, speed, and direction. It doesn't matter that VIN #XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX is there, just that a vehicle is there and taking up a certain amount of space.

It's also not terribly useful for tracking, since this is short-distance communication. Mandating something like On*Star that communicates via the mobile network continuously would be a lot more effective for tracking.
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Old 11-20-2013, 08:51 AM
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Big Brother is watching. What could go wrong?

All the more reason to drive old, pre-computer stuff.

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Old 11-20-2013, 09:06 AM
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Do we really want this CRAP? Call your congressperson...

NHTSA May Mandate That New Cars Broadcast Location, Direction and Speed | CNS News
WTF indeed Jake.
From the administration that loves to gather data and listen in on phone calls. Meta data gathering to the next level.

Yaw rate? Number of passingers in the vehicle?

Hmmmm... What would be the interval between speeding tickets? Once a day? Once an hour? Once on the same trip, same road, regardless of distance? Every time you go above the posted limit, regardless of time intervals? Think about the revenue opportunities!
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:11 AM
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Interestingly, this kind of info isn't used for tickets now. In theory, EZ-Pass could be used to ticket people via times between toll gates, but in practice, it never happens since the backlash would be huge.

(EZ-Pass does ticket or drop accounts for speeding, but only for speeding through toll booths themselves.)
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:29 AM
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There are mixed issues. According to the article this is a step towards autonomous vehicles meaning that they dive themselves. I consider that to be a good thing. However since the generation of vehicles being introduced do not and will never drive themselves there is little reason for the technology to be in place, even tho they suggest it is for evaluation and evolution of the systems in place.

If someone carries a recent smart phone or other similar tech with them, their movements can already be tracked.

But the relentless intrusion into our privacy continues. I know there are arguments that state people on public hiways have no privacy, but this opens the door to automatic ticketing for speeding, or other similar violations, and minute by minute tracking of where we are and if someone is with us, but the article claims not who is in the vehicle.

Sadly, this is not even a political issue but one of perceived necessity by both major parties who direct an increasingly overbearing .gov.

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NHTSA has no plans to modify the current V2V system design in a way that would enable the government or private entities to track individual motor vehicles, a NHTSA spokesman told CNSNews.com.
Sure, it can't be hacked or modified. That is a real thigh slapper of a joke.

A good read. Thanks for the post.
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:38 AM
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I have at best mixed feelings about automated cars. Good on paper, but they'll also enable those dumb arseholes who want to live in BFE, Pennsyltucky and commute 3 hr into the city by car every day, since they can do work while driving, eating Doritos, and becoming morbidly obese.

I can see more interesting applications for unmanned vehicles. Imagine a vehicle roughly the size of a motorcycle that can weave through traffic, approach houses, and have an articulated arm to do express package deliveries, for example.

This being said, V2V shouldn't be needed for automated cars, since they need to be able to react to non-car objects (pedestrians, animals, debris), as well as cars where the signal is blocked or the system is broken. It also seems forward to mandate a specific system when self-driving cars aren't even yet at the VHS-vs-Betamax stage and tech will change rapidly.
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:38 AM
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If someone carries a recent smart phone or other similar tech with them, their movements can already be tracked.
People forget about this one a lot.
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I generally don't carry a smartphone on weekends, and I also have a Blackberry where I can yank the battery. When it's off, it's *OFF!*
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I'm surprised that airline pilots haven't raised a stink all these years . . .

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Old 11-20-2013, 10:18 AM
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I'm surprised that airline pilots haven't raised a stink all these years . . .
Until recently (maybe still true), small aircraft could fly w/o transponders in certain airspace. We're not talking about trucks and buses (equivalent to airliners) here.

As far as CNSNews being Conservative, Conservatives aren't always wrong, you know.
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Old 11-20-2013, 10:24 AM
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I have at best mixed feelings about automated cars. Good on paper, but they'll also enable those dumb arseholes who want to live in BFE, Pennsyltucky and commute 3 hr into the city by car every day, since they can do work while driving
That is a problem, because...?

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I can see more interesting applications for unmanned vehicles. Imagine a vehicle roughly the size of a motorcycle that can weave through traffic, approach houses, and have an articulated arm to do express package deliveries, for example.
Well, yes, perhaps on paper, but in the working world, it is no a good idea to antagonize the neighborhood, so to speak.

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This being said, V2V shouldn't be needed for automated cars, since they need to be able to react to non-car objects (pedestrians, animals, debris), as well as cars where the signal is blocked or the system is broken.
Not true. A system such as that would rely on V2V plus external radar or equivalent, and possibly a 3rd system as well. But i do agree that the article doesn't do a good job of describing the utility of V2V tech.

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It also seems forward to mandate a specific system when self-driving cars aren't even yet at the VHS-vs-Betamax stage and tech will change rapidly.
I agree with this.
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Old 11-20-2013, 10:24 AM
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Interestingly, this kind of info isn't used for tickets now. In theory, EZ-Pass could be used to ticket people via times between toll gates, but in practice, it never happens since the backlash would be huge.

(EZ-Pass does ticket or drop accounts for speeding, but only for speeding through toll booths themselves.)
This is true. One wonders: Could it be changed by "Executive Order"?

(Around here no one slows to 15mph (?) going through the EZ pass only toll booths, including me for the most part. 20-30 is about as slow as most people travel thru them, if that.)
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Old 11-20-2013, 10:26 AM
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There are mixed issues. According to the article this is a step towards autonomous vehicles meaning that they dive themselves. I consider that to be a good thing. However since the generation of vehicles being introduced do not and will never drive themselves there is little reason for the technology to be in place, even tho they suggest it is for evaluation and evolution of the systems in place.

If someone carries a recent smart phone or other similar tech with them, their movements can already be tracked.

But the relentless intrusion into our privacy continues. I know there are arguments that state people on public hiways have no privacy, but this opens the door to automatic ticketing for speeding, or other similar violations, and minute by minute tracking of where we are and if someone is with us, but the article claims not who is in the vehicle.

Sadly, this is not even a political issue but one of perceived necessity by both major parties who direct an increasingly overbearing .gov.



Sure, it can't be hacked or modified. That is a real thigh slapper of a joke. A good read. Thanks for the post.
I'll second that emotion.
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Old 11-20-2013, 10:28 AM
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Until recently (maybe still true), small aircraft could fly w/o transponders in certain airspace. We're not talking about trucks and buses (equivalent to airliners) here.

As far as CNSNews being Conservative, Conservatives aren't always wrong, you know.
You're right . . . its not trucks or buses . . . personal auto accident related deaths are only about three time higher than deaths due to firearms. In the US, one personal auto accident death every 13 minutes. Trucks and buses should get a pass.

And . . . never said anything negative, or positive, about CNS. I report, you decide.

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