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Old 12-03-2013, 06:45 AM
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Yup. Dems lose out to Reps in the knowing what you stand for department, even if all you stand for is 'NO'.

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Old 12-03-2013, 07:09 AM
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I always thought perhaps it was because in general R's respect money so much that if the richest guy in the room says something everybody really listens. With Dems nobody feels that way so much and they might go for any idea that sounded good.

There was a fellow in RR's cabinet who left after a year or so and said (even though he was a millionaire in his own right) that nobody would listen to him because he was not rich enough.
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Old 12-03-2013, 08:28 AM
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Old 12-03-2013, 08:30 AM
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Yup. Dems lose out to Reps in the knowing what you stand for department, even if all you stand for is 'NO'.
I'm reminded of the story of the lost woman in the balloon asking for directions. Worth repeating, but you no doubt have heard it before.
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Old 12-03-2013, 08:34 AM
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Monumentally clueless defines the folks in charge of the PPACA Oct. 1 rollout. And that's putting it mildly.
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Old 12-03-2013, 09:12 AM
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Monumentally clueless defines the folks in charge of the PPACA Oct. 1 rollout. And that's putting it mildly.
Oh yes, you with your superior judgment would have done a much better job!
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Old 12-03-2013, 09:43 AM
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Oh don't worry, if the GOP gets too weak the Dems will fragment and fight against each other.....seriously.
I'm not sure about that. The Democrats seem to be quite adept at getting their ducks in a row come election time.

When push comes to shove the Blue Dogs, Yellow Dogs, far-left and moderates hold their respective noses and stick together for the "party". (Obviously a generalization but largely true in recent memory of a memory-deficient 40-something who was not kind to his brain cells in his past. )

Ultimately I think the GOP will hemorrhage from within, rather than because of whatever muddled, cobbled-together platform they try to run with. There is a sizable disconnect between the Religious Right, the Tea Party, the NeoCon, the Country Club and the moderate factions.
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Old 12-03-2013, 09:46 AM
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Oh yes, you with your superior judgment would have done a much better job!
Having witnessed the birth, gestation period, rollout of the affordable care act as well as dynalow's posts over the last decade there is absolutely no doubt in my mind he could have done a better job with 1/10th the resources that the administration has apparently used.

It's not a matter of superior judgement, its a matter of basic competence.
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Oh yes, you with your superior judgment would have done a much better job!


Not necessarily Tom, but with a boatload of common sense, a lifetime of trial & error experience and a career spent living with deadlines, I doubt I would have done worse. Without political interference, of course.
I never claim to be the sharpest tool in the shed. I know what I know and I know what I don't know. (Not enough and too much, respectively.)
Take something for that toothache.
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Old 12-03-2013, 10:11 AM
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Not necessarily Tom, but with a boatload of common sense, a lifetime of trial & error experience and a career spent living with deadlines, I doubt I would have done worse. Without political interference, of course.
I never claim to be the sharpest tool in the shed. I know what I know and I know what I don't know. (Not enough and too much, respectively.)
Take something for that toothache.
...and you know you'd do something you have never done before better than it has been done? Patently ridiculous, IMHO.
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Old 12-03-2013, 11:37 AM
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Monumentally clueless defines the folks in charge of the PPACA Oct. 1 rollout. And that's putting it mildly.
You can add the past five years of running a country into that too.
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Old 12-03-2013, 11:40 AM
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Having witnessed the birth, gestation period, rollout of the affordable care act as well as dynalow's posts over the last decade there is absolutely no doubt in my mind he could have done a better job with 1/10th the resources that the administration has apparently used.

It's not a matter of superior judgement, its a matter of basic competence.
You hear the latest?
The stooges failed to add security into the webste...its hacker city now.

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"When you develop a website, you develop it with security in mind. And it doesn't appear to have happened this time," said David Kennedy, a so-called "white hat" hacker who tests online security by breaching websites. He testified on Capitol Hill about the flaws of HealthCare.gov last week.
No security ever built into Obamacare site: Hacker
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Old 12-03-2013, 11:43 AM
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...and you know you'd do something you have never done before better than it has been done? Patently ridiculous, IMHO.
I would have assembled a better team...and monitored progress against an established timeline. And I would have kept my superiors informed of problems.
That's what I would have done. That's what they failed to do.

I have little doubt both you or I could have done a better job than Sebelius.

Let me tell you a story. My daughter called me from LA a few years ago. She had been on her new job out there a few months and her boss put her in charge of coordinating a tour of an entertainer they had under contract. They were flying from Europe to Japan and they hit a snag. One of the band guys left some needed travel documents behind or had not updated someything and he was being denied entry into Japan. She calls me on her way back fron the spenfing two hours in the Japanese consulate in LA in a panic.First thing I tell her was you must call your boss and tell him your problem. I also told her to have a suggestion or two to offer as possible alternatives.
I don't know what she told him or how they got the problem resolved, but the show went on.

"The effective executive gets the right things done." Period.
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Old 12-03-2013, 12:57 PM
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Given your absolute alliance, had the DNC tweeted that you'd probably be parading it around, right?

Any honest, fair person would read that for what it is: A statement about Rosa Parks' undeniable courage in standing up for fairness and equality. Certainly that was a large stone thrown in a larger pond, and the ripples will likely never settle completely; so long as there are humans there will be those who choose to treat others differently, regardless what they use to distinguish "other." But even if racism truly never ends, that doesn't mean the thrust of their comment is lost...again, at least to an honest, fair person.

In reality, you've done the same thing you are ranting about: if GOP is associated with it, it must be bad. If someone "likes" the GOP, they must also be bad.

At some level, your prejudice is just as intolerant and just as unfair.
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Old 12-03-2013, 02:02 PM
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...and you know you'd do something you have never done before better than it has been done? Patently ridiculous, IMHO.
ANYBODY could have done better by doing absolutely nothing.

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