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Old 01-12-2014, 10:10 AM
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I started the first one and said, "Crackpot bull****." Never went back.
You must not have been getting the good stuff....

And, I never realized they were supposed to be 'real'...
I got a dogeared copy from a friend at school and read it for enjoyment, not education.

Hard to be terribly strict with a story where all the good parts happen when the protagonist is under the influence of powerful hallucinogens....
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Old 01-12-2014, 12:05 PM
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I first started reading Castaneda's works when i was about 15 and read 5 books by him. Thought the story telling was excellent and compelling, but had no way of knowing if they were documentaries. IIRC they were sold in the religion part of the book stores, a key detail.

After reading the comments above I did a quick look to Wikipedia and accordingly, he sold 28 million books in 17 languages. I didn't know he had died. His works were clearly very successful and he was a heck of a fine story teller. Carlos Castaneda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 01-12-2014, 10:57 PM
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Old 01-12-2014, 12:42 PM
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You must not have been getting the good stuff....

And, I never realized they were supposed to be 'real'...
I got a dogeared copy from a friend at school and read it for enjoyment, not education.

Hard to be terribly strict with a story where all the good parts happen when the protagonist is under the influence of powerful hallucinogens....
Journey to Ixtlan, which if memory serves was his 4th book, was a nearly word for word commercialization of his PhD dissertation for UCLA. A pretty huge embarrassment to that fine institution and his committee.
Several of his former mistresses- one who was also a step-daughter- went missing right after his death and have not been found. The step daughter's remains were found and ID'd in the CA desert recently.
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Checking his library stack requests was a smart detective move. Carlos Castaneda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 01-12-2014, 04:09 PM
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^ That was smart. Psychedelics are interesting, I don't think they're a complete waste but my take is that many dabblers in that stuff get carried away with it and ascribe way more credit to them than is due. Timothy Leary clearly did, IMO and the following that Castaneda gained from the the Peyote mystique is another example of that.

My feeling is that psychedelics can give you a glimpse of the power that lies mostly dormant in your mind, the next step, the one that Alpert/Baba Ram Dass took, is to pursue organic means to achieve real enlightenment.

That wiki piece is interesting, I'd heard briefly about the disappearances of the women before but not this bit:

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Castaneda died on April 27, 1998 in Los Angeles due to complications from hepatocellular cancer. There was no public service; Castaneda was cremated and the ashes were sent to Mexico. It was not until nearly two months later, on 19 June 1998, that an obituary entitled "A Hushed Death for Mystic Author Carlos Castaneda" by staff writer J. R. Moehringer appeared in the Los Angeles Times.[7]

Four months after Castaneda's death, C. J. Castaneda, also known as Adrian Vashon, whose birth certificate claims Carlos Castaneda as his father, challenged Castaneda's will in probate court. For many years Castaneda had referred to Vashon as his son. The will was signed two days before Castaneda's death and Vashon challenged its authenticity. The challenge was ultimately unsuccessful.[8]
That's a trip. His supposed biological son is shut out by a will signed 2 days before his death and the will stands??
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Old 01-12-2014, 10:30 PM
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^ That was smart. Psychedelics are interesting, I don't think they're a complete waste but my take is that many dabblers in that stuff get carried away with it and ascribe way more credit to them than is due. Timothy Leary clearly did, IMO and the following that Castaneda gained from the the Peyote mystique is another example of that.
"Timothy Leary clearly did....."
I would beg to differ.
Mayhap you ought to read more of his writings.
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I don't see a reason to prefer altered states of consciousness be they drug induced or not to normal states of consciousness. I think a fair number of people are attracted to altered states of consciousness because they think these states give some information about before/after life.
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I was hoping it would enlighten me and give me the MegaMillion numbers.

Again, just kidding.

I suspect the Indians that use it as a part of their religion don't do it every day

We did get the paper mill back on line Friday.
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I know a couple of guys (white) in Eastern WA that have gotten heavily into some sort of peyote church who are very solid members of their community, FWIW.
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I know a couple of guys (white) in Eastern WA that have gotten heavily into some sort of peyote church who are very solid members of their community, FWIW.
I can understand that. Most forms of mysticism are pretty conservative.
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I know a couple of guys (white) in Eastern WA that have gotten heavily into some sort of peyote church who are very solid members of their community, FWIW.
If I read the article correctly. Your friends could not legally partake unless they can prove at least 1/4 American Indian ancestry.
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One of my psychedelic drug experiences seemed deeply spiritual. If nothing else, it was memorable. Most of the rest were introspective. A few were fun, but most were anything but fun. Very intense and deeply interesting, but not fun. I'll never take them again.

When weed is legalized I'll probably smoke it again. It was relaxing and gentle with the soul. I understand it is a lot more powerful then what I smoked 40 years ago. But really, that's a matter of choice. There is no compulsion to over-indulge. At least for me.
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One of my psychedelic drug experiences seemed deeply spiritual. If nothing else, it was memorable. Most of the rest were introspective. A few were fun, but most were anything but fun. Very intense and deeply interesting, but not fun. I'll never take them again.

When weed is legalized I'll probably smoke it again. It was relaxing and gentle with the soul. I understand it is a lot more powerful then what I smoked 40 years ago. But really, that's a matter of choice. There is no compulsion to over-indulge. At least for me.
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The original cannebis and the medical cannebis have a high CBD and a low THC content.

In modern recreatial cannebis the THC content is very high, up to 25%.

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I don't think they are native. Oh well.
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