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Old 12-26-2013, 02:58 PM
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Modern AT in a Cord 810/812

Just thinking out loud - what are the options in longitudinal engine+FWD layout with the transmission ahead of the engine and the engine centered? IIRC Audis, VWs, GMs and Mopars are engine forward. Saab 99/900 are flywheel forward but the axles come out further aft. The engine lists but maybe reflects half a Lycoming 288.

Alternatively, what does it take to make a transmission spin backwards - practically, not theoretically? I read that aircooled VW trannies can be made to spin backwards, but this dream doesn't involve a clutch pedal.

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Old 12-26-2013, 03:18 PM
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Audis do have the motor forward, VWs Passats based on Audi platforms do as well.

What about the Accura Vigor? Don't Honda engines rotate backwards compared to other makes? Those had a front longi engine and front wheel drive.

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Old 12-26-2013, 03:29 PM
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Here's a cord drivetrain. Front is to the right. Does the flywheel drive the fan??? -



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Old 12-26-2013, 03:56 PM
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I guess it's not that difficult to make a GM transaxle spin backwards - 1936 CORD 810 Lot 75.3 | Barrett-Jackson Auction Company

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Old 12-26-2013, 04:04 PM
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My friend Eric's comments:

so, any automatic used in a 911 is the correct orientation
the 3-speed auto out of a VW Typ 4 is the correct orientation

The 010 automatic used in the VW Type 4 is a 3 speed non lockup, but is very reliable and simple.

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Old 12-26-2013, 04:36 PM
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I'll ask the mandatory question...

...do you own a Cord?
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Old 12-26-2013, 04:50 PM
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I was 5 numbers away from the recent $636M lottery jackpot so not yet Besides, if I can't get a modern AT in a Cord, I won't get a Cord The Barrett Jackson car looks good at $40K but I'd need to get it at $15K to allow for a change of color and a more original looking interior. I can't imagine what an original gear selector costs

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Old 12-26-2013, 07:26 PM
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I think any transaxle can be used by reversing the sides of the ring and pinion which IIRC is fairly simple to do.
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how about a engine trans combo from an olds toronado.79 up use a 350 engine and the halfshafts are about dead center on the engine front to back.
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:14 PM
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I've been scratching my head over what they mean by '82 Eldorado subframe in the link in post #4. The Eldorado and Toronado you mention use the TH-325, right? The Cord is an oddball mid-engine FWD - the engine is completely aft of the axle. In the first picture, the radiator is just about above the front axle. The engine can't be over the axle to keep the proportions correct. On the other hand, there might be room for a VW flat 4 under the apron ahead of the coffin nose allowing for a forward trunk

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Old 12-27-2013, 11:56 AM
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The fan belt appears to be off the flywheel but the pulley ratio would make it turn very fast.. This judging by the entrance to the bellhousing angle of the belt. If you look carefully there may be a pulley just at the enterance point of the bell housing so it may be a funny belt driving setup.
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Old 12-27-2013, 12:23 PM
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that looks like an awful setup to maintain. Struggling changing belts on a saab with them jammed against the firewall makes me look at that belt coming out of the bell housing with fear.

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Old 12-27-2013, 03:21 PM
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It might be an optical illusion. The fan might be driven off a pulley at the end of the cam rather than the flywheel.

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Old 12-27-2013, 03:27 PM
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Here's a link to an engine cutaway that shows a pulley on the flywheel end of the cam - Engine . I can't tell how the belt is tensioned. Maybe ala aircooled VW? I'll bet you'd wish it were aircooled when the water pump quit and dumped coolant all over the clutch. Maybe it's a safety feature Fancy intake manifold!

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Old 12-27-2013, 03:33 PM
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Cords were built as repos in Tulsa, Broken Arrow and Mannford, Oklahoma for a few years. The same guy was building them. He just kept changing locations.

He used a Corvair engine and transmission, so if you could get one of those to work it would solve the whole automatic problem.

There should be a bit out there on these cars as a few owners used to meet monthly in Tulsa.

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