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lennox furnace model G12D2E-82-8 issues
I am 99% sure it is the fan limit switch, causing frequent furnace blower cycling, (even when the burner is off).
It was replaced 20 years ago for the same issue. fan limit switch Lennox# 15P38 or Honeywell# L4064W1098 As a momentary fix, changing the fan limit switch setting 5° F seems to have reduced the frequent blower cycling issue. . Last edited by whunter; 01-15-2014 at 04:48 PM. |
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Assuming it is the common bi metallic version. They do fatigue and tire with time. Usually in my limited experience fan controls slowly lose their range of movement. Or lack of actual response in degrees moved for thermal changes if you wish. They have just lost their rotational motion torque to a large degree so their range of movement becomes very weak and impaired. It takes work to close contacts and they cannot do it reliably or accurately when tired.
Twenty years may even be a little longer than usual for an average lifespan of a fan control these days. You can lose some efficiency of heat delivery with a shakey old control. Once you get down to doing minor adjustments to get by with it. It is time. Now the fan control on a really high delivery modern gas furnace may not rely on a bimetallic control. I have no familiarity with more modern gas furnaces. That unit of yours looks like a simple bi metallic fan switch with the high limit incorporated. Judging by the wire count. I did find the appearance of it somewhat different so looked up the part numbers. Pictorially they did not show the same control as you have. It is almost like someone may have installed a different unit than was original. Can you have a look at the fan switch itself for a part number? The lennox control has been discontinued but suspect it was probably a Honeywell relabel version anyways. Also the Honeywell part number has been replaced as well. I usually buy heating system parts as needed at local trade suppliers. Some plumbing and electrical wholesalers suppliers have a furnace controls section. Last edited by barry12345; 01-15-2014 at 11:13 PM. |
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Just get a flashlight and mirror and check the top of the heat exchanger through the burner ports in front. Back when I was working as a sub-contractor for the gas utility in Toronto I would have to disconnect and red tag at least 5-6 every month.
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I always thought it prudent to have at least a carbon monoxide detector in any dwelling where any form of fossil fuels where burnt. Early detection of inner body or flue issues are caught. Probably code in a lot of juristictions on new construction where any form of fossil fuel is used. Hope you do not find your older heat exchanger broached yet.
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Call it paranoia.
https://www.google.com/search?q=defective+carbon+monoxide+detector&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a Having lost several relations to carbon monoxide, I feel this is rational. I have two carbon monoxide detectors, purchased five years apart. They are from different manufacturers. They are tested twice per year. I replace one unit every ten years. http://www.trulia.com/blog/KathleenTurner/2010/12/help_it_s_1am_and_my_carbon_monoxide_detector_is_going_off defective carbon monoxide detector https://www.google.com/search?q=defective+carbon+monoxide+detector&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a . |
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I am looking at replacement this year, increasing heating capacity to 125,000 btu. The old Lennox unit never has been adequate under -10° F. Note: Please don't suggests sealing / insulating the house better, the walls are R-30, attic is R-60, floor is R-19, foundation crawl space walls R-13, windows are twenty year old thermal double pane. . |
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How many -10F days do you see? May not be worth upgrading just to solve that problem. If it has trouble at that temperature, a couple of $30 electric oil radiators could supplement it for the few days of the year it's working hard.
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Insulation does not do much good if substantial penetration by wind is occurring. The gentleman previous posting may know something about those early furnace efficiencies in comparison to todays. Back approximately 40 years ago when your furnace was new. If it was that long ago. Natural gas was generally cheap. No reason for a manufacturer like lennox to give great efficiency then. The last new gas furnace our son in law installed looked loaded with computer type driven functions. It actually surprised me how complex it seemed. When they get down to only needing a plastic pipe through the wall outlet they have to be efficient. Well if the detectors are not firing off it sounds like no breeches exist yet and that is a good thing. A shakey fan switch or one not set right will seriously waste heat. Plus 125,000 btu is a a lot of capacity up to about 2500 square feet floor area in a house as well insulated as yours usually. That's is if the ductwork is not choking it off . There are simple ductwork guides on the internet that do not require a lot of math calculation. A quick separation test is to read the plenum temperature with a spot heat gun. It should dip and stay lower after the fan starts. If it rises further I would assume the ductwork is inadequate for the furnace output. Or the fan is too weak.Then too much heat is going up the flue. Last edited by barry12345; 01-17-2014 at 08:01 PM. |
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From 56% To 98.5%
Old, low-efficiency heating systems:
Natural draft that creates a flow of combustion gases Continuous pilot light Heavy heat exchanger 56% to 70% AFUE. Mid-efficiency heating systems: Exhaust fan controls the flow of combustion air and combustion gases more precisely Electronic ignition (no pilot light) Compact size and lighter weight to reduce cycling losses Small-diameter flue pipe 80% to 83% AFUE. High-efficiency heating systems: Condensing flue gases in a second heat exchanger for extra efficiency Sealed combustion 90% to 98.5% AFUE. Furnaces and Boilers | Department of Energy
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Update
The blower died, pulling it now for teardown, inspection, repair or junk.
Will buy a replacement unit tomorrow Lennox# 89C37 Electric space heaters for tonight. . |
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I've replaced a number of blower motors. Not a difficult job and worth doing if the heat exchanger is intact and the furnace otherwise is functional. In a pinch you could put a box fan in there and wire it to the blower wires.
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I don't think a box fan will move enough air and the over temp sensor will trip over and over because the heat exchanger will over heat.
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ugh... looks like two or more fields are burned out. does the dataplate have an RPM or HP rating?
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