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Air&Road 04-18-2014 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 3317946)
Looks to me like you are trying to defend this guy or find some sort of stupid answer for his behavior because of your personal bias from the past.

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel (Post 3317939)
Maybe you can explain to me how 'unhinged' is not an appropriate description of greezers posts earlier in this discussion? Maybe you agree with his assessment of Mandela? Or his desire to turn this issue into a racial one? Or the fact that we had a very civil discussion going on for 17 pages until he came in and started the derogatory comments about lefties...?
Seriously Larry. Every thread does not have to deteriorate into 'bash the other guy'.... You should take a cue from dudesky. He has been debating from (IMHO) a weak position, and against several at a time, but he has not called anyone names, and has put forth real information to bolster his case. I have read everything he has posted, and he has made a few valid points. Things I might not have found on my own, and things that others might not have discovered if they were buried in a thread full of name calling and blame Obama...(or Bush)

2010.... 2008.... does it really matter?

You want to start calling people druggie again, that's on you.
I figured you were a better man than that....:(


Calling someone unhinged is quite an accusation. You are implying that they are ready for an institution. I will give you the benefit of the doubt for now, and assume that you did not know the meaning of the word. Please don't make such an accusation toward greaser again.

MS Fowler 04-18-2014 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 3317729)
Sharpton? What has he got to do with this case? Sharpton is another issue. Why don't you bring Rhodney King into the picture?

It is relevant when the reason given for the armed Feds showing up is the amount he owes. It is obvious that that is a lie. If the amount of money owed is what prompted the armed respone than the failure to treat Sharpton must be racism--- lack of equal treatment under the law.

elchivito 04-18-2014 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 3317946)
Looks to me like you are trying to defend this guy or find some sort of stupid answer for his behavior because of your personal bias from the past.

Anyone who opposes the Fed, no matter how abusurd the reason, is a pal of LB's. Put a cowboy hat on him and they aren't pals, they're blood kin.

tjts1 04-18-2014 09:54 AM

So this "rancher" is butthurt because he's no longer getting a free handout from the federal government? Talk about give me give me give me culture.

JB3 04-18-2014 10:07 AM

This debate is so ridiculous. The guy has NOT been paying fees for TWENTY years, and clearly is trying to make it a states rights issue now that its time to pay the piper and the inevitable bureacracy has caught up with him

Also, all this crap about things just coming out or actions illegally taken by the fed is preposterous. The guy probably has at a minimum, a hundred mailed notices saying he was delinquent, that such and such would happen, that he has such and such amount of time to appeal, ect. These things dont just suddenly happen, the current situation is the end result of twenty years of evading and ignoring notice after notice.

Heres a comparison thats similar-
My sister is a public defender in NY. Shes been telling me about a case where a guy who is an immigrant got two moving violations 9 years ago in his cab. He didnt pay the tickets, ignored every single notice sent, and 200 bucks in tickets became 15 violations. Years went by, and ultimately a warrant was issued for his arrest. Heres where it gets sticky for him. He hasnt been keeping up with immigration paperwork either, so now the house of cards is falling apart and he actually faces deportation over an initial illegal turn incident.

The lesson, do not ignore offical notices. This rancher obviously figured he could fly under the radar forever, but its caught up with a vengence. Now hes skillfully made it into a larger issue than just him evading fees that everyone else pays.

Im extremely surprised to see larry for one, defending him. Hes been breaking the laws for two decades, but apparently all is forgiven

elchivito 04-18-2014 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by tjts1 (Post 3317973)
So this "rancher" is butthurt because he's no longer getting a free handout from the federal government? Talk about give me give me give me culture.

This guy is an insult to respectable western ranchers. What's glaring is the hypocrisy of those who support him. All the camo'd play soldiers who showed up looking for a fight. These are the same idiots who spout off on gun forums about Obama supporters wanting their "free stuff". Yet somehow it's OK that this fellow doesn't have to repay the people of the U.S. for the privilege of making his living on THEIR land.

Txjake 04-18-2014 10:55 AM

lotta hate here. somehow misses the fact that the .Gov sent out a Special Reaction Force, amoured vehicles, snipers and 5 helicopters to confiscate 300 cattle.... that's the over the top part....

davidmash 04-18-2014 11:01 AM

Given the yahoos out there with their guns I think it was right on target.

Air&Road 04-18-2014 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by elchivito (Post 3317968)
Anyone who opposes the Fed, no matter how abusurd the reason, is a pal of LB's. Put a cowboy hat on him and they aren't pals, they're blood kin.

VERY INSULTING!

My biggest kick about this is the WAY that the Feds are responding. Killing two of his bulls? That's pathetic. When will the Feds storm Sharpton? Answer, never.

JB3 04-18-2014 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Txjake (Post 3318001)
lotta hate here. somehow misses the fact that the .Gov sent out a Special Reaction Force, amoured vehicles, snipers and 5 helicopters to confiscate 300 cattle.... that's the over the top part....

What on earth do you expect?

Remember, he already prevented another roundup of his illegally grazing cattle 2 years ago. No shlt are they going to turn up in overwhelming force this time

Lets say i refuse to pay my propert tax, years go by, lein is put on my house, bank or city ultimately owns my property ,i refuse to leave, they send cops and i stand them down with my crew of people who are armed. You think they arent going to come back with a swat team?

elchivito 04-18-2014 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road (Post 3318008)
VERY INSULTING!

My biggest kick about this is the WAY that the Feds are responding. Killing two of his bulls? That's pathetic. When will the Feds storm Sharpton? Answer, never.

Sharpton is a straw man. What else you got?

Txjake 04-18-2014 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by davidmash (Post 3318004)
Given the yahoos out there with their guns I think it was right on target.

the yahoos showed up AFTER it was found that the government sent out a parmilitary unit to do civil law enforcement

MS Fowler 04-18-2014 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito (Post 3318014)
Sharpton is a straw man. What else you got?

Sorry if you think that. I consider it fully relevant. Sharpton owes more but is not being attacked by armed Feds.
Every excuse offered by the Feds has been a lie. The desert tortoise-- which the Feds destroyed, the million he owes--when others owe more.
Some of you are too quick to believe what your government is telling you--I bet you even believe Benghazi was due to an internet video.
When they finally come for you, won't be anyone left to come to you aid.

Air&Road 04-18-2014 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito (Post 3318014)
Sharpton is a straw man. What else you got?

So for the sake of discussion Sharpton is a strawman. Does that justify insults?

Why is Sharpton a strawman? Bundy owes a million and receives an armed attack from the Feds, but Sharpton owes almost TWO million and goes Scot free. Why is that?

elchivito 04-18-2014 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road (Post 3318032)
So for the sake of discussion Sharpton is a strawman. Does that justify insults?

Why is Sharpton a strawman? Bundy owes a million and receives an armed attack from the Feds, but Sharpton owes almost TWO million and goes Scot free. Why is that?

Oh I don't know. Sharpton owes taxes, Bundy owes RENT. Sharpton isn't squatting on public land, Bundy IS.
Yeah, I see the similarities.:rolleyes:


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