Directly, or indirectly?

Come to think of it, how many have we all killed, indirectly?

I wouldn't know how to compute something like that.

So I would leave it as unknowable.

If I remember correctly Mr Mandela was jailed for some sort of violence. His choice, he could have simply obeyed the laws.

But wait, he believed the law was unfair and eventually chose a violent path to change.

The only difference among civil disobedience lawbreakers is how history views them in the future and our personal beliefs at the present. I see no objective way to determine when civil disobedience is the moral path. Do you?

The decision of what was moral, as we all know, is subjective and will be the topic of conversation of other generations.

There is no way to tell when it is the correct path, but I believe that there are ways to tell when it isn't.

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Give me a clue. I think that is a mystery, too.

How about this. We agree on a path and stick to it. Problem is that when we start saying "Well, this is a good cause and we can bend the rules this one time.", IOW, I like this so we call this an exception but I don't like your cause so no exceptions.

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That really does not address the question I posed to which you linked, but it does agree nicely with an argument that Larry had previously made but now repudiates.


Here's the context.

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There is no way to tell when it is the correct path, but I believe that there are ways to tell when it isn't.

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Give me a clue. I think that is a mystery, too.

I don't follow. If we agreed on a path and we stick to it and change it in agreement only and not ad hoc, how is that not the correct path?

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Khmer Rouge?
That might be a bit extreme....

Civil disobedience for personal financial gain maybe?

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1983 300SD - 305000
1984 Toyota Landcruiser - 190000
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In the first case, you can't make an omelette…

The 2nd: Yeah, that seems right. Maybe generalize a bit and say, "… solely for one's own benefit." OTOH, I may get involved for greedy, selfish reasons and personally not give a damned about the impact on others, yet the impact could benefit them greatly. Like for example, the Union commissary suppliers during the Civil War. A dishonest bunch of crooks that sold tainted meat to the soldiers and cut deals with supply officers to enrich them both. Yet had the suppliers NOT gotten involved the army could not have won the war.

There you go, mixing our neat little drops of black and whit into grey again...

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I stopped following the number of unborn babies that have been murdered, but the number is in the millions.

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