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MS Fowler · #1 04-26-2014, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry

Here's a very interesting history of the political roots of Bundy's views.

Radical racist context missed in rancher hype | MSNBC

Forget the government's military reaction against a citizen--LOOK Over here---it a Red Herring. Look..look

Does his racism, or lack thereof have any bearing on the government's action? Its OK to use excessive force against a racists, right?

and the German Middle class overlooked the early attacks on the Jews--even educated Jews thought they had nothing to fear.
Fascism is fascism, no matter how it may be disguised.

aklim · #2 04-26-2014, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Forget the government's military reaction against a citizen--LOOK Over here---it a Red Herring. Look..look

Does his racism, or lack thereof have any bearing on the government's action? Its OK to use excessive force against a racists, right?

and the German Middle class overlooked the early attacks on the Jews--even educated Jews thought they had nothing to fear.
Fascism is fascism, no matter how it may be disguised.

Speaking of Red Herrings, what was that he was talking about a range war?

kerry · #3 04-26-2014, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Forget the government's military reaction against a citizen--LOOK Over here---it a Red Herring. Look..look

Does his racism, or lack thereof have any bearing on the government's action? Its OK to use excessive force against a racists, right?

and the German Middle class overlooked the early attacks on the Jews--even educated Jews thought they had nothing to fear.
Fascism is fascism, no matter how it may be disguised.

Did you even listen to the history?

cmac2012 · #4 04-27-2014, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Forget the government's military reaction against a citizen--LOOK Over here---it a Red Herring. Look..look

Does his racism, or lack thereof have any bearing on the government's action? Its OK to use excessive force against a racists, right?

and the German Middle class overlooked the early attacks on the Jews--even educated Jews thought they had nothing to fear.
Fascism is fascism, no matter how it may be disguised.

BLM is not obligated to make it a fair fight. Bundy had threatened violence in the past.

Overwhelming force makes it less likely that a fool like Bundy would start plugging away. If he does, one might conclude he would have shot and killed, say, a pair of officers, so with a crowd of LEOs, the pea-brain can be swiftly neutralized, excuse me while I brush away a tear.

aklim · #5 04-27-2014, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

BLM is not obligated to make it a fair fight. Bundy had threatened violence in the past.

Overwhelming force makes it less likely that a fool like Bundy would start plugging away. If he does, one might conclude he would have shot and killed, say, a pair of officers, so with a crowd of LEOs, the pea-brain can be swiftly neutralized, excuse me while I brush away a tear.

Actually, I feel it is the duty of the planner to make sure the fight is unfair IN THEIR FAVOR. You don't want to come at me with a knife only to find I have a gun basically. If it were me, I'd want to come at you with a tank even if I think you are armed with a stick just to make sure there are less casualties on my side and if there are any, they are your side.

Seems so out of character for you.

cmac2012 · #6 04-27-2014, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Actually, I feel it is the duty of the planner to make sure the fight is unfair IN THEIR FAVOR. You don't want to come at me with a knife only to find I have a gun basically. If it were me, I'd want to come at you with a tank even if I think you are armed with a stick just to make sure there are less casualties on my side and if there are any, they are your side.

Seems so out of character for you.

Apparently you've had a bundle of assumptions about me for some time.

I don't like being hassled by cops and it rarely happens because I get how the world works. But cops are sometimes asses and while it's not good, I've concluded that modern society as we know it needs cops. As they are doing our bidding, usually, it's naïve to expect them to risk their lives in order to give some lawbreaker and even chance.

Botnst · #7 04-27-2014, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

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I don't like being hassled by cops and it rarely happens because I get how the world works. But cops are sometimes asses and while it's not good, I've concluded that modern society as we know it needs cops. As they are doing our bidding, usually, it's naïve to expect them to risk their lives in order to give some lawbreaker and even chance.

I agree with you on this.

aklim · #8 04-27-2014, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Apparently you've had a bundle of assumptions about me for some time.

I don't like being hassled by cops and it rarely happens because I get how the world works. But cops are sometimes asses and while it's not good, I've concluded that modern society as we know it needs cops. As they are doing our bidding, usually, it's naïve to expect them to risk their lives in order to give some lawbreaker and even chance.

I don't meet too many people that think people like them should be stomped into the ground. Never expected it from someone who seems to value the life of others more than I. Still, what can I say. Can't always be right. Most times is good enough.

Botnst · #9 04-27-2014, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

BLM is not obligated to make it a fair fight. Bundy had threatened violence in the past.

Overwhelming force makes it less likely that a fool like Bundy would start plugging away. If he does, one might conclude he would have shot and killed, say, a pair of officers, so with a crowd of LEOs, the pea-brain can be swiftly neutralized, excuse me while I brush away a tear.

Same rationale applied at Waco.

aklim · #10 04-27-2014, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Same rationale applied at Waco.

Took too long to come to the proper conclusion, IMO

Diesel911 · #11 04-28-2014, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Forget the government's military reaction against a citizen--LOOK Over here---it a Red Herring. Look..look

Does his racism, or lack thereof have any bearing on the government's action? Its OK to use excessive force against a racists, right?

and the German Middle class overlooked the early attacks on the Jews--even educated Jews thought they had nothing to fear.
Fascism is fascism, no matter how it may be disguised.

If People like you or your group it has a large bearing on how you or your group is treated. That does not have to do with the Law that has to do with Human Nature.

Part of the reason that the WACO incident was not villified by the USA Polulation is they were intollerent over Man who claims be Jesus and Followers that believed that was trun were all considerd Mental Cases.

If you believe that it is easly to believe that the Law did not have to deal with them in a resonable manner and anything the Mental Cases had to say is going to be greatly discounted.

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