To be fair, they make some pretty powerful hearing aids for the elderly…

I got used to it in a few days.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

Is there a starter life issue?

I can't see it helping the life of the starter.

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It just might be that the auto shut off starters are designed for purpose.

But this would require some thought.

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1984 300D "Elsa" odo reset 6/2011 147k
1983 300TD "Mitzi" ~268k OM603 powered
1995 E300 "Adelheid" 262k [Sold]

starter is hd for the application i suspect.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

That was a question I had. It would take a lot of hours of idling to make up for the cost of one new starter. As far as reducing greenhouse emissions, one would need to do some nifty research to determine how much carbon is created in manufacturing a starter.

Brian Carlton visited me in the Bay Area 6 or 7 years ago. He was doing some work at SFO on some jet engine balancing. We went out to dinner in his rental Mercedes. It would do the auto shut off and start at every stop longer than a few seconds, I forget exactly. I could barely hear it either way. At one point, he demonstrated the remarkable stopping abilities it had. A panic stop was not that far away from hitting a brick wall.

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1986 300SDL, 362K
1984 300D, 138K

And not just a replacement, the new one. These must cost more, so the additional cost of the first unit over it's lifetime. If they don't cost more but give 5x cranks then all the cars would have them and we would never replace a starter in the normal life of a non shutdown vehicle.

Probably same starters as all the other applicable engines. If it is a MB starter it should be a quality unit. I would not want to put a cheap starter on one and continue to have the car do the auto start/stop thing.

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They are designed differently. Different bearings, different gear ratios, and also as someone else mentioned, often a generator doubles as a starter when current is applied. Also keep in mind auto stop start is often only active on a warm engine, much less friction. Auto stop start has been around for ages now, youd hear of horror stories about burning through starters, but you don't.

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Current stable:
- 2004 Mazda RALLYWANKEL
- 2007 Saturn sky redline
- 2004 Explorer...under surgery.

Past: 135i, GTI, 300E, 300SD, 300SD, Stealth

Well, thank goodness this is history. Now they can go back to manufacturing cars with cranks. So do all Toyota hybrids/plug in hybrids/electrics. Noisemaker works when the car is operated below 20 mph. If the car has VVT, the wear on the starter is minimal, because the car will be started in Atkinson cycle: the compression stroke will effectively be shortened by adjusting valve timing.

Is that on all hybrid cars with VVT or just Toyota?

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I had a CVT in my old Subaru. Maybe not as much fun as a manual, but it was never a problem. Can’t say as much for the rest of the car.

Full hybrids don’t even have conventional starters and batteries. Instead, current to the recharge generator is reversed, and it’s powered as an electric motor by the 300v traction battery. That allows the engine to spin up at RPM matched to the demand of road speed. So clever…

Right. The CR-V has a 2 liter Atkinson cycle engine.

Makes me put the CRV in higher regard than I already had if only it was not for that CVT.

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