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W123 Modulator Adjustment DIY - measure it the 'right' way
Why do you need to do this?: You need to do this to properly check the internal hydraulic pressure of the transmission, either during a debug OR you must do this after installing a new modulator (my case).
This only applies to automatics. You manual tranny people have it too easy anyways... Overview: You are going to connect a psi gauge to a test port on your transmission's underside near your vacuum modulator. Then, turn the car on and make some adjustments, and then remove the gauge and you're done. Theres a lot of talk about this on the forum - you NEED to set the pressure correctly. There's a right answer - it's not a rule of thumb or by feel measurement. Time once you're ready to go: 60-90 minutes Materials required: - 12mm socket and socket wrench (I used 1/4" drive) - 1 banjo bolt scrounged off of an ALDA on a yard car. I grabbed mine off of a later turbo model. The ALDA is the square unit on top of the injection pump on a turbo model. There is a banjo fitting leading into the ALDA from some clear tubing. Thats the one you want. Take the hollow bolt, two washers and banjo fitting - a few feet of 3/16" ID vinyl tubing rated for 60 psi or more. I got mine at my local hardware store. - a 0-100 psi gauge. I also got mine at a hardware store for $10. It had a 1/4" NPT fitting. - 1/4 NPT to hose fitting adapter. -some brake cleaner and paper towels for locating your transmission ID # -teflon tape for NPT fitting -ramps for front wheels. Jackstands can work too. -chocks for rear wheels -TDM printouts that are attached to the next post. Gauge assembly: -take your scrounged ALDA banjo bolt and hollow screw and clean it really thoroughly with brake cleaner. Clean it some more. Transmission fluid is going to go into this fitting, and then get sucked back into the transmission. You want this thing clean! Let it dry for a little while. -attach your gauge to the hose fitting using some teflon tape. - push the the ends of the vinyl hose onto the hose fittings on the gauge and the banjo bolt. -make sure everything looks nice and tight. This stuff will be under 50-80 psi. -wrap a plastic bag around the banjo bolt (keep it clean!) end of your gauge assembly and bring it to the car The Main Event: - make sure you have the right fluid level in your transmission. - put front wheels on ramps. Jackstands can also work, but get them up high! Im a thin guy and I really appreciate the extra height the ramps give me. -put e-brake on and chock the rear wheels. Safety first... -turn car off and put in P. -first you need to identify what exact model transmission you have. You can find the transmission ID on the passenger side of the tranny. It is located on a flat right above the front of the pan. You probably will ned a paper towel with a little brake cleaner to clean the area off. It may be obstructed a little bit by your exhaust pipe, but its there I promise. You are looking for a number that begins with 722.xxx -before you get too dirty consult the TDM printout for your proper reading. I have a 722.315 and my number was 2.9 bar. Write down this number and concert it to psi. 1 bar = 14.5 psi. - get under the car on the drivers side. You are looking for your vacuum modulator. Mine is green. Yours may be red or black. It's above the pan - you have to get right up under the transmission to see it. - a little below and to the rear of the modulator is a 12mm bolt. This is your test port. Unscrew the bolt and put it to the side somewhere...you guessed it..Clean!. -screw in your banjo bolt. Point the hose up and to the rear of the car. BE VERY CAREFUL to seat the bolt correctly. Check again. If you dont, fluid will spew everywhere when you do the test. Dont ask me how I know!!!! -snug it down, but do not overtighten. -look at figure 2 - this is how it looks, but you wont have red fluid in the line yet. -check everything again, and crawl out from underneath the car. -plug the vacuum line that dives down to the transmission from the engine compartment. -start the car. Quickly look down and check for leaks. I bet all is well. -look at figure 3. This is what you will see. Fluid will be running down the tube, but wont make it to the gauge. A pressure reading will be registering on the gauge - figure 1. This is normal - I thought it wasn't at first and got concerned. -what you need to do next is make the adjustment. This is done on the modulator itself. There is a little black plastic cap that hides a t handle. To make the adjustment youll need to pull the cap off, pop the T handle out a little bit and screw IN to RAISE pressure, and screw OUT to LOWER pressure. Adjustment is a little bit at a time. I turned my t handle half a turn to lower is 2 bar. I did this with the car on above me - it was easy this way. -NOTE: the TDM says to do this test at 50kmh while driving. BUT, every reptuable Benz mechanic I have talked to says the same reading can be obtained in park. Thats how they all do it. It sure is easier. I dont wat to think about trying to rig up a drivable version of this. -the adjustment doesn't take long if you do it with the car running. -once the correct reading is achieved, let the car idle for a bit and make sure the reading is nice and stable after the transmission is at operating temperature. -turn the car off. - take off the banjo bolt, reinstall the 12mm plug bolt. re install the modulator rubber cap. reconnect the vacuum line. - remove chocks, take car off ramps. test drive the beast. Enjoy!! You can now continue your transmission debug. Make adjustments by other means (VCV, orifices etc.), NOT by the modulator any more - your work here is done. Hopefully this is the end of your debug journey. Good luck, dieseldan44 Special thanks to forum member tomnik for walking me through this measurement and providing the TDM scans. PS - Ill take and attach some more pictures soon.
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Transmission Specs
The scan from the TDM is too big to attach.
Maybe someone can expand this list? 722.112 - 3.8 bar 722.117 - 3.0 722.118 - 3.0 1981 - 722.300 - 2.4 722.301 - 3.5 722.303 - 2.9 722.304 - 3.5 1982 - 722.300 - 2.8 722.303 - 2.9 722.309 - 2.8 722.310 - 3.7 722.312 - 3.7 722.315 - 2.9
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Nice DIY
Brian and I are suggesting this thread be added to the wikki.
Please e-mail the scan to webmaster@peachparts.com he can find a way to make it fit. Thank you.
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This is as good a DIY as we could ask for. I appreciate the time and effort to not only do your adjustment, but document for the rest of us.
Thanks!
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Very thorough walkthrough, thank you
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What would having a higher pressure do?
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...harder shifts.
The fine adjustment (or individual variations) are made with the vac pressure adjustment on the IP. Tom |
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Nice write-up.
Does it make any difference that the car is on an incline as a result of the ramps or stands?
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Very nice! I have some rough shifts on my 83 240D that I have been meaning to get to for a while.
Could you explain though, do I have to get a banjo bolt? Why not just a regular bolt? easier to get than going to the yard, especially if someone has the thread size of it?
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Don't know if it would make a difference. I may do this again after I do a fluid and filter change and I will let you know.
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truknik suggested that bolt so thats what I went with. I luckily have ready access to several yards around here.
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It needs to be a banjo bolt because that type is hollow and will flow fluid through it's core. A regular bolt will just block the port.
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What are the pressure specs for the tranny in my '80 SD?
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You need to find the tranny ID number on the passenger side right above the trans pan (its in the DIY). Should be a 72x.xxx number. Then, someone who has access to the TDM can tell you (I dont, I just have the figure for mine).
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Now in the Wiki
This DIY can be found HERE.
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