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Old 11-02-2005, 12:39 AM
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engine dies after violent shaking of car

I bought a 1985 500 SEL. Beautiful black. Bought it Thursday. It has been driving fine. Small puddles of oil and tranny fluid on the floor.

The previous owner recently replaced the tranny with a used one.

I have put about 200 miles on it. Tonight, on the way home from work, and on the expressway at 60, The front end start shaking violently. I knew I had a bad tire, so I thought the tire blew out. I coasted off to the side, as the engine died. The car would not re-start. The tires are fine. The oil is still golden in color. Removing the valve cover cap, the cam shaft visibly turns fine. The tranny fluid is red and fine. No silver. The radiator fluid is fine and still green, with no milky residue. No fuses seem to be blown. The engine turns over fine. Not too easy, not too strained. I could not tell if it was getting gas, because it is a 5 litre engine, and has a big flap on the carberator. I pushed down on the flap and tried to peer into the carberator, but I saw no gas with a crank-over. Perhaps the gas squirts under the second flap which is the butterfly one?

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Old 11-02-2005, 12:48 AM
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I'm probably one of the least mechanically inclined people on the message board ... but the carburetor?

To my knowledge, your 5 liter V8 is fuel-injected. (Hence the E for "Einspritzung" in SEL.) ... There should be no carb.
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Old 11-02-2005, 12:53 AM
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The flap you pushed on is the air flap that controls the amount of fuel injected by the injectors . If you could push down real easy, there is no fuel pressure and most like the fuel pump or it's relay are bad. Pushing down on this flap very soon after shutting off the engine will sometimes make a faint squeaking noise as some fuel is injected into the intake runners.

Get someone to crank it while you push gently on the air flap...if resistence increases while cranking, this indicated there is fuel pressure.

The pump(s) sit under the rear passenger side just behind the axle shaft.
They have a plastic cover over them. 10mmm socket on 6 inch extension reaches the nut through the access holes.

There you can check for 12 volt whilst cranking.
Relays on these fail too.
There is an OVPR , but I can't remember where it sits on that model.
It supplys power to the CISe fuel system.

Excuse me for asking...but......errr... it didn't run out of fuel did it ?
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Old 11-02-2005, 10:27 AM
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Nope, did not run out of gas. I put $10 in it that morning on the way to work. The fuel guage does not work anymore, I am told there is a fuel sensor behind the back seat somewhere, and that may be the fuel guage problem; has three prongs on top?

What do you think caused the violent shaking? If the fuel relay went out, and fuel stopped being pumped to the engine, would the car act that way at a high speed?
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Old 11-02-2005, 10:47 AM
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Not being a 'fly on the wall' when it happened, I can only hazzard a guess.
You have bad engine mounts.
You have bad center drive line support.
You have periodic wheel sympathetic unbalance.
You stopped with the tyre bulge at the bottom.
Transmission was hunting between gears after power loss.
Bad road maintinence by local authority.
You passed through a time warp .

10 dollars worth of gas in a 500 will make the tank floor damp and that's about it ! That equates to just over 3 gallons...the fuel lines hold that much !
Those beasts get 5 to 8 mpg during the warm up cycle. If you accelerate onto the interstate at the same time, think 4 mpg.



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You ran out of gas.

The shaking was caused by the motor not running on all cylinders.

Not good on a fuel-injected vehicle, as running the electric fuel pump dry is not good for it.

Very bad idea to run such a car without a working fuel gauge.
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Old 11-02-2005, 01:10 PM
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I would not be so quick to think it ran out of gas. I was not out when I put in the 4 gallons. I had over the weekend put over $40 in it.
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You have bad engine mounts. - Already been replaced.
Bad road maintinence by local authority. - New highway.
You passed through a time warp . - Very possible, how do I get out? It still won't run.

I will check the gas when I get home tonight. But I am pretty sure I did not run out. I did not put the 4 gallons in because I thought I was empty; I put it in for extra measure.

But let's say that I did run out. Anything additional I should do besides putting more fuel in? Can this so called "fuel injected carb" be primed like a regular carb? Are there other measures to take?
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Death and violence? Doesn't this belong in Open Discussion?

(sorry, couldn't resist...)
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Old 11-02-2005, 04:52 PM
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...............................................But let's say that I did run out. Anything additional I should do besides putting more fuel in? Can this so called "fuel injected carb" be primed like a regular carb? Are there other measures to take?
It's a self bleeding system.
Crank on it for 20 seconds at a time with the throttle open.

You do not have a carb'. This is a EFI CISe system, ECU controlled.
The throttle blade you saw is the throttle control plate attached to the throttle cable/linkage/pedal.
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I have the lowly 300 so my only experience with severe engine shaking...the kind that made the whole car feel like it was bucking and about to explode...was due to the ignition wiring harness shorting into the engine block...you could see the current (blue) jump into the block when the car was running. It wouldn't move and it was rather scary. Your car doesn't have the harness issue, but it could be something shorting in the cap etc...only a guess. Best of luck with it.
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Old 11-02-2005, 11:45 PM
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has gas, won't start.

Did an old fashioned trick. bought a dowel rod and measured the gas. Also added 3 gallons tonight. Looks like the tank is still half full. Next guess is the fuel relay?
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Old 11-03-2005, 01:31 AM
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take of your fuel line at you fuel filter. crank on the motor and see if gas comes out. if no, check power at the pump. if yes, then bad pump. if no power at the pump, then you might want to test the fuel pump relay. if i remember right the fuel pump relay says "kickdown" on it.

another way to test would be to spray starting fluid in the, "carburetor". if it starts then dies, then you aren't getting fuel. then I would start at testing for power at the pump.
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try to get the September 2005 issue of `Startuned- Information for the Independent Mercedes-Benz Professional` read page 14 `Will the Fuel Pump Make it out And Back`

Your nearest MB dealer may have an issue to give to you

or go to www.mbwholesaleparts.com and click on Startuned at the top, But the fuel pump article isn't online, but you may be able to order a subscription or copy.
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Old 11-05-2005, 12:43 AM
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Thanks Ethan, I will check it out.

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