Seat repair? - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Nate · #1 12-28-2005, 09:53 PM

I'm wandering if anybody can help me with repairing my seats?
Its mainly the back seat, when I sit on it, it REALLY sinks down, and theres a crunchy feeling in the seat. Its as iff theres a band of styrafoam in the seat, that is complealy decomposed. I read diesel gients write up, but it didnt give me the info I needed unless broken springs can cause it to be "crunchy"
It's the bottom section of the rear seat which is having problems. Both sides.

I'll be removing the seat tonight, and setting it in my room so its easier to work with (bit nippy out right now)

Can somebody help me? I have absolutly no idea as what to do, other then try and grab a seat out of the junkyard if its good... Which wont match anyways (grr)

So if anybody has any tips, please let me know
Thanks alot, I really appreciate it
~Nate

halman2228 · #2 12-28-2005, 10:08 PM

Nate -

Do a search on the forums - lots of info available. I believe you have a 116?

Famous problem - the horsehair padding has essentially crystalized - sit on it and it turns to powder. From your description, I think that's what's going on. Be advised - the original seats were not very "firm" anyway.

Not expensive if you DIY - really cheap if you don't go with OEM horsehair...

I hope your 'skins" (the MBTEX or leather) are in good shape - that can cost you.

There's a guy in the diesel forum (Rleo I believe) that has rebuilt a bunch of his seats - do an advanced search under his posts.

Keep us posted and Happy New Year!

Kevin

Nate · #3 12-28-2005, 11:35 PM

I did a search, but I couldnt find what I wanted. Was it with thoose fun noodle things?

Pads are in exelent shape, but the cloth on the bottom is ripped. I hope I dont have to have somebody redo that, but I cant stich worth crap (mabey I could practice it)

Thanks alot, and its a 115/114
~Nate

haasman · #4 12-29-2005, 12:24 AM

Been there, done that: The seat must have the "horse hair pad" that is in good condition to start with. The pad unto itself is actually remarkable. It is firm, but flexible. It takes many, many impacts yet stays firm. BTW, I don't believe it really is horse hair any more, instead is a cellulous product that is sprayed with a flexible glue.

It performs several functions; most importantly it distributes the load across the seat springs. That is why when it fails it feels like you are going into the floor boards. The pad also locates the padding above it and helps keep the assembly from shifting.

If it were mine, I would find a new pad. Best, either OEM or an exact replacement. Used ones are just that, used. New ones, especially on say a driver's seat are wonderful change to any older car.

The torn fabric can be dealt with in several ways, depending on how far gone. The fabric is important because it is the backing to the top seating pad and it is used to attach it to the "horse hair pad". Often if the tears are not too bad, you can use fishing line and a large needle and sew the pieces providing a bridging support. You can also sew in new patches or simply have an auto seat shop do this for you inexpensively.

One car I used a hot glue gun and it worked quite well. The repairs lasted over 100k miles.

As a further note, there are hog rings that hold the seating pad to the horse hair pad that are simply C rings with two sharp ends. They should be carefully removed, saved and reused when putting the seat back together.

I have found the high density closed cell seating foam, low density, some density etc all are only fair substitutes for repairs.

The plastic swimming pool noodles are temporary to help keep collapsed coiled seat springs from bottoming further.

There is simply nothing better than a well repaired Mercedes seat. If it is a poor repair, you'll know it (your butt will tell you immediately).

Haasman

Nate · #5 12-29-2005, 12:53 AM

Mine isnt flexabal at all anymore, its "crystalized" as said before.
Thats a ton of money for me to spend on the car (brand new seats), and I cant even find thoose parts right now. A used seat is $300 +shipping, cant imagion what a new one would fetch.

I did some more searching, and read that the repair isnt temporary. Via post #12 in this
Seat springs--repair

Nobody lists how to repair the back seat, SO if theres anybody out there who has, Id like to know howudooeredthatsnit

Thanks alot
~Nate

abe g · #6 12-29-2005, 10:58 AM

Use hog clips (any auto supply store sells kit of clips and pliers). Check your springs. possible broken. You can firm up the seat with replacement pad (foam & board cut to duplicate old cushion size) and use the clips to repair broken springs and to tie springs together to get firmer seat. These will hold for a long time. I did this and it works. good luck, Abe G

Nate · #7 12-29-2005, 12:46 PM

Use hog ring clips???

How?

~Nate

Nate · #8 12-29-2005, 01:33 PM

Ok, heres the pictures (posted as links for you people stuck in 1995

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/NathanEbert/RearSeatFrount.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/NathanEbert/RearSeatBack.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/NathanEbert/RearSeatBottom01.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/NathanEbert/RearSeatBottom02.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/NathanEbert/RearSeatBottom03.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/NathanEbert/BackOfRearSeatBottom.jpg

This seat has good MB-Tex,metal, springs (not broken), bad coth, bad whorehair, and a bad smell to it (blech)

I vaccumed ALOT of this crap out of the back of the car, and theres alot that fell out when we turned the seats over... It stinks, alot. (fine, im a wuss for bad spells that arent mine)

Where should the horsehair pad be? Can somebody take "rear seat back" up in paint, and show me where to put the pad, and noodles?

Also how do I get the cover off off?

Thanks alot
~Nate

Nate · #9 12-30-2005, 07:57 AM

The cars alot faster now without all that added weight, I might keep it that way, cut the trunk wall out, and install a bed

Anybody?
Thanks alot
~Nate

Nate · #10 12-31-2005, 09:11 PM

No reply yet??? I cant be the only one who need their backseat with crystalized horsehair repaired, and cant have an apolsteryshop do the entire thing

Thanks alot& Happy New Years
~Nate

Nate · #11 01-01-2006, 02:47 AM

Since I am bewildered by the plethora of information out there, I got talking to my uncle, who has a friend, who owns an interior shop. I'll cut his lawn all summer, and he'll do the backseat...
~Nate

doppx006 · #12 01-01-2006, 08:47 PM

I have a 76 300D and I pulled all the seats and inspected them, the back rest of the back seat and the whole drivers seat are good the rest have completely rotted out, no broken springs, and I sand blasted the metal springs and the frames, the covers are still good exvept one 2 canvas tears, but tomorrow I am priming and painting the springs and frames, and I picked up horse hair at an upholstery shop and i picked up a couple different types of foam and then i will cut it down and string it in from the back to get the shape then put the repaired covers back and cut the strings. Does anybody know where i can order new precut foam for these seats?

bgkast · #13 02-28-2007, 04:47 PM

My new (used) passenger seat has the same problem of crunchy horse hair. Can foam or other locally available material be used to repair it? If not where can new horse hair pads be found?

david s poole · #14 02-28-2007, 05:21 PM

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