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Old 01-11-2006, 12:45 PM
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It's probably catalyst efficiency degradation. The catalyst doesn't necessarily need to be replaced now. Look at the following discussion on the effects of ignition timing on peak combustion temperature (a big factor in NOx generation) and EGT (a big factor in catalyst performance).

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/tech-help/117048-successful-ca-asm-emission-test-ke-fuel-system-post833484.html#post833484

Though the initial timing cannot be changed, the rate of ignition advance with engine revs can be changed (slowed) and the vacuum advance can be disabled.

It could also be a lazy O2 sensor. If it were me I would check the duty cycle and scope the O2 sensor waveform as I did prior to my last emissions test. This is also discussed in the above link.

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Old 01-11-2006, 12:53 PM
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Catalyst is only one year old

It is an aftermarket one though. Is it possible that it is degrading so fast? I wonder what kind of paperwork, proofing is required to get a replacement under warranty... I installed it myself.
Anyway, thanks for the information! I will go through it and try the test again without replacemnt of the cat.
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Old 01-11-2006, 12:59 PM
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High NoX is typically a lean mixture.(and a result of high combustion temps).....High Hydocarbons are typically the cat.
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High NoX is typically a lean mixture.(and a result of high combustion temps).....High Hydocarbons are typically the cat.
Half correct.
High HC's are normally caused by ignition misfires, vacuumleaks, & oilconsumption.
Trust me, I do emissions testing for a living.
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Old 01-12-2006, 01:58 AM
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I do emission repairs for a living, and feel that the aftermarket cats are no good for the volume testing that they do now. Seen many go south in less then a year.
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Old 01-12-2006, 10:52 AM
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Half correct.
High HC's are normally caused by ignition misfires, vacuumleaks, & oilconsumption.
Trust me, I do emissions testing for a living.
yeah...I overlooked the obvious there....
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Old 01-22-2006, 10:05 AM
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It is an aftermarket one though. Is it possible that it is degrading so fast? I wonder what kind of paperwork, proofing is required to get a replacement under warranty... I installed it myself.
Anyway, thanks for the information! I will go through it and try the test again without replacemnt of the cat.
Thanks, Bruno
I just replaced my cat on my 560SL with an aftermarket $440.00 vs $4000.00 for a genuine MB. There is a HUGE difference in Weight and Quality between the two. In fact Im so discussted with the DEC cat and Miller crossover pipe I got that I am saving the old MB one to do a full repair on the heat shielding and that they will be put back in when the new ones wear out, which Im sure will be soon. The MB unit is non-magnetic stainless the replacements attract a magnet meaning steel or low grade stainless. The cat size complared to the original MB is tiny. I also belive that I will lose a significant amount of performance with this setup and that the system will be significantly louder. Basically If I had known this was the S@#$% I was doing to get I would have gone to a custome exhaust place and had something realistic made up. Aslo all of the pictures I see of the DEC cat for a MB 560SL are pictures of a genuine MB unit not the DEC cat itself. From all I have read DEC was the most highly recomended of the replacement Cats, due to its mandrel bent tubes, which the Miller crossover pipe does not have, But from what I can see thats not saying much.

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