Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support > Tech Help

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16  
Old 06-21-2007, 07:23 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Florida / N.H.
Posts: 8,804
Quote:
Originally Posted by Harti View Post
Arthur, I just read your advice again. If the key on test failed, isn't that a clear indication, that the starter or the solenoid has a problem?
Harti
Please show me where I give a key ON test.
I state that the test of jumping pos battery voltage to the center terminal does NOT require key ON..

Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 06-21-2007, 07:34 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 393
Does your fuel pump buzz when you turn on the ignition switch, just before you crank. If the fuel pump buzz is heard, the starter lock out switch is likely fine, because if you are in any other gear but park and neutral, both the fuel pump relay as well as the starter coil does not get any power.

So that leaves the starter coil as the culprit. You can check resistance and see if there is any open circuit.
__________________
Saumil S. Patel
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 06-21-2007, 11:26 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 13
Arthur, I was referring to your statement yesterday at 9:11pm. And when I checked the firewall connection the key was off.
Sorry for my misunderstanding.
Harti
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 06-21-2007, 11:27 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 13
Saumil, I also think the starter might be the suspect. I'll give it a closer look over the weekend. Thanx.
Harti
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 06-22-2007, 12:03 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Florida / N.H.
Posts: 8,804
Quote:
Originally Posted by Harti View Post
Arthur, I was referring to your statement yesterday at 9:11pm. And when I checked the firewall connection the key was off.
Sorry for my misunderstanding.
Harti

Ok.. the key On test was for the fuse test, not the starter jumper test.
If you have jumpered 12 v to the center terminal of the
plug on the firewall , then the problem is downstream from that test point..the reason we use that test location is b/c that eliminates all parts in the cabin as they are the 12 v feed to that point , which then feeds the starter soiinoid. However , you now want to look at the wires behind the oil filter for bad insulation and burnt wires ..These are the wires that connected that firewall connector test point to the starter..they were a common problem on that chassis due to bad insulation. Look right behind the filter area..check that before condemning the starter/solinoid.
And if these wires are OK, check the top battery cable nut on top of the starter for looseness/poor connection..that is another common 104 starter possible.
You may have bad starter brushes/sol , but check the feeds as mentioned before going for a starter.
You are zeroing in on it now...
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 06-22-2007, 10:38 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 13
Hi everybody,
I checked the wires around the starter, didn't find anything suspicious, then took the starter out and put some juice through it: dead! Tomorrow I'll take the starter apart and see, what the matter is.
I'll keep you posted.
Harti
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 06-23-2007, 01:30 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 13
Yuhee,
I found the culprit and punished it.
I took the starter apart. Looked totally okay from the outside. Inside, however, was half a ton of shredded graphite and one copper strut of the collector was broken off. No wonder it didn't work anymore.
I finally ordered a new one for 176.46 with a lifetime warranty.
Thank you to everyone for your great help and support.
If someone is interested in pictures... I simply don't know how to post them. Otherwise ask for HPauls2000@verizon.net.
Harti
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 06-23-2007, 02:03 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Florida / N.H.
Posts: 8,804
Very Good..
..and if you ever have starter circuit problems again, remember that connector next to booster is a great test point to seperate the circuit from the engine bay and the car's cabin..no power there and you know NSS/K38/Ignition sw are suspect. [ upstream problem]
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 06-24-2007, 07:45 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Brisbane Australia
Posts: 21
Hi I have a simular model & if I dont start the car in a 20 second time frame from opening the door the alarm system does its job, I then have to press the alarm pad on the key ring again or the security switch hidden under the dash before the car will start. hope this helps ... baz
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 06-24-2007, 10:04 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 13
Hi Baz,
my Merc doesn't have a remote opener. Where is the hidden switch under the dash exactly located?
Harti
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 06-24-2007, 01:17 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Florida / N.H.
Posts: 8,804
There isn't one..he has an add-on alarm system that somene installed with remote keychain transmitter..The car does not come w/remote on your year chassis.

Yours does have Factory ATA [ Alarm system that does have starter lock-out, --unless made for Canada- ], with the K-38 relay I mentioned ..That is a common fail part on your system and it is in series with the NNS for starter circuit. That is why I had you go to the terminal at the firewall..if the starter spun when you brought 12v there , then the problem was most likely the NSS or K38 relay..VERY common" No Starter Crank" faults on that chassis..if you ever have that problem, you can do that 12V. test lamp Tip I mentioned at that same feed wire at the terminal..if it does not light when you turn the key, you then know your problem is not the starter downstream, but upstream from there , meaning NSS , K38 relay, or fuse #5 [which supplies K38 relay.] Anyone of them will cause the condition b/c they are in wired Series, from the ignition sw ,to the NSS, to the K38 relay, and on to the test terminal at firewall.
So , anyone reading this now knows how convienient this terminal is for diagnosing where the problem lies ..upstream/downstream-in cabin/under hood.
Makes it narrow down real fast..a good test to be aware of for the diy guy...
Once you get your starter repaired and back in, if you do the 12v jumper to that same center terminal, you will then see the starter now spins over. The test is no longer needed as you have found the problem, but you now know of it for down the road possible crank problems. And with your chassis ,with age/milage there is going to come the time that one of those common starter circuit parts are going to fail..they are mechaincal switches and they just wear out from use/age..

Last edited by Arthur Dalton; 06-24-2007 at 01:49 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 06-24-2007, 05:07 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 13
Thanx Arthur,
always a reliable source in plain english.
Harti

Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:19 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2018 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page