Check it out.
And another one bites the dust. ewwwwwww!!
This is for sale in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

Something got "lost in translation" the Arab version to a convertible.

Someone has REALLY been on the hookah, if you ask me....

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1991 560 SEC AMG, 199k <---- 300 hp 10:1 ECE euro HV ...

1995 E 420, 170k "The Red Plum" (sold)

2015 BMW 535i xdrive awd Stage 1 DINAN, 6k, <----364 hp

1967 Mercury Cougar, 49k

2013 Jaguar XF, 20k <----340 hp Supercharged, All Wheel Drive (sold)

Ackbar!
Benz meets Volkswagon in Tails of arabian knights



100 outside

I've been reading
seems the 380 SEC got only about 2 gal more per mile
So it was no economy model
& look how much gusto you lost.

Least with the 500 SEC you get a lil something for the gas.

104 Degrees...

Might be suicide to try to go out...



Don't know much about this guy but seems he is in the area.

http://www.benzdoc.com/300sel.htm

says make sure not to use MB coolant or it will rot the head?
think its a typo?

http://www.benzdoc.com/87560sel.htm\

Also seems to say Euro models can run alot different that US
Idle perhaps temp?

Might write him & see what he thinks
Guess it can't hurt.

Interesting, seems to know his stuff, especially the W124

You could write him, and who knows, maybe in 6 or 7 years you might get an answer. Didn't notice anything recent.

I would definately thinking about changing the coolant, all the hoses, and maybe the thermostat again, and check the radiator cap too, especially if the prior owner can't provide you with information proving the radiator has been changed out in the last 50,000 miles - it could be time, after 24 years and practically 200, 000 on the clock - the cooling system has had a good run, if it was original

It's clear that this is bugging you, but it ought not let you worry about driving the car. At least, not too far. Though in LA everything is pretty far, it is a sprawling place, all of it is spread out, and it is too far to walk.

One other thing, too, I am reluctant to bring this up, but your car may be TMU ("true miles unknown")

That's because it had SOME mileage recorded on its Euro odometer when it got here.

The registered importer who converted it, threw out the euro lights, put in all the seat belt buzzers, catralytic converters and all the other things the DOT and EPA made him do, had to put in a MPH speedometer cluster on the dashboard, too, most likely.

When the unit was swapped out , the converter was supposed to convert the reading of kms shown on the Euro odometer to the equivalent amount of miles on the US odometer in the US spec cluster.

Not all of them did. Some of them let them run from a reading of zero miles, even if the true reading, that was taken from the old odometer, was the equivalent of 15,000 to 25,000 miles possibly....thus making the new gray market car look 15,000 -25,000 miles newer than it reallly was.

It depended on the honesty of the converter, and I suppose the buyer, if he colluded. But the truth is, it's a danger with all subsequent buyers of gray market cars that had Euro their gauge clusters swapped out to get legalized - and I am pretty sure that most of them did.

It means your car might have possibly a littl, or a LOT more than the indicated 196,000 miles showing on it. Probably you will never know.

Or maybe it NEVER was swapped out, and it is original - (the build sheet from the factory might help, if you couldl get one from Stuttgart.)

Likely a kind of red herring in the ened, because whatever the true mileage is, simply it is what it is - just like the condition of the car and it's cooling system is

I don't know if the Euro cars ran hoter than the equivalent American ones or not. Not sure, probably someone else here might.

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1991 560 SEC AMG, 199k <---- 300 hp 10:1 ECE euro HV ...

1995 E 420, 170k "The Red Plum" (sold)

2015 BMW 535i xdrive awd Stage 1 DINAN, 6k, <----364 hp

1967 Mercury Cougar, 49k

2013 Jaguar XF, 20k <----340 hp Supercharged, All Wheel Drive (sold)

Maint book has 84 entries
so the car was here prob right away & had to spend some time in the conversion. I don't think it wracked up too many miles before the change.

The speedo is mph/miles
There are no seat belt buzzer on this car
its silent...



I just don't want to chance a heat problem or a battery go down & chance having to wait in 105 degrees for road assistance.

The car probably will be ok
It started for me the first day & at the shop
but I would feel better not doping it on a blazing hot holiday weekend
as I don't even have access to bring it for repair...

Also I wouldn''t want to tax it w the AC til I see how the temp runs
& its really hot out there. I'll bake in the car...

It's true what you say about the miles
but it is what is is a 24 yo car & I know a heck more about it then I should for it coming thru a charity auction...



LOOKY!

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/197598-how-determine-if-engine-really-overheating-post1609373.html?posted=1#post1609373

could be guage?????


really could be!

So now what's next?


Air in system?
shouldn;t have been before thermo change
Did notice a drop on way to Enrique & the fuel too.
Those are all on one guage inc oil pressure.

Bad negative battery cable (ground)?
Loose connection or dirty contacts?

Well still not as bad as a radiator I guess

And with luck, you will get to know even MORE, if you get a response from the first owner, a phone call - keep a pencil & paper by the phone, and take good careful notes, and drill them hard about the names of the places where the car was repaired and seviced, and then GO to them and get photocopies of all the records if you can.

And write to the Mercedes Historical archives for a copy of the build sheet on it - it will get the exact equipment o it the car has, from the factory.

Call the 1-800-FORMERCEDES number and ask them for a photocopy of the original window sticker the car had on it when new in Nuremburg - now THAT would be a real coup - easy if a US car, maybe near impossible for a Euro.
(I have NEVER heard of a Euro owner who had one)

Go to Silver Star Mercedes, who had serviced it, and lean on them for the records. I know that place, though, and they are pretty stubborn.
Maybe bring a box of Krispy Kreme donuts or a $20 bill to loosen up their tongues It could actually work.........

A lot of trouble, but consider this:

Knowing the history is not only satisfying, but it could save you thousands of dollars - (and give you peace of mind, and a good baseline for maintenance & repairs)

~~~~You would find out if the Timing chain has been done

~~~~Whether the radiator is orginal or has been replaced

~~~~Whether the suspension parts, transmission, air conditioner and shocks are original or not


(The kind of things the records would show if you were to find out)


I have ALWAYS believed that having the prior records is important and would go to extreme lenths and expense to get them.

And argued bitterly with people who disagreed with me on this. True, in the end the car "is what it is" BUT, it is ALWAYS best to know what has been done so you can sleep peacefully AND know whether replacing or servicing things is REALLY neded or whether it would be like throwing money away down the toilet.

You are to be much admired for your dogged persistence here in seeking out all you can find about these cars in general, and YOURS specifically.

Not likely to get an argument from you about this, I believe we are both on the same page here

I am just saying...........

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1991 560 SEC AMG, 199k <---- 300 hp 10:1 ECE euro HV ...

1995 E 420, 170k "The Red Plum" (sold)

2015 BMW 535i xdrive awd Stage 1 DINAN, 6k, <----364 hp

1967 Mercury Cougar, 49k

2013 Jaguar XF, 20k <----340 hp Supercharged, All Wheel Drive (sold)

I wouls suppose Krispy Creme donuts have greased a few mechanics fingers...



Maybe I should make a checklist of most important.

Maybe the curbstoner did it

He used his booster to start it
One day it wouldn't start
turns out the alarn had tripped & cut off ignition
LOL

He hooked up something wrong
Saw a flash & the car gave him a ahock...


Guess it didn;t want his hands on it...



4 PM It's 108 now!!!!!



Guess, I'll stay in

108 degrees, jeezaloo, that's just awful.......mix yourself a frozen whiskey sour or something - don't go out unless you have to.

I may have been around there once or twice on vacation..as I recall there are lots of areas with shade trees around, which helps a little...but 108, OMG

I was around that general area some years back visiting, and was directed to a WONDERFUL Argentinean restarant/butchershop/grocery store, an unassuming little place in one of those corner minimall palces you see all over the valley, I think it was in North Hollywood, Van Nuys, someplace, a mercaderia carceneria or something.

Anyway, I was the only gringo there, but this was the real deal, where you can get a TRUE beef lunch, Argentina style. And if you know anything about Argentina, it is all about gauchos, best beef in the world, cattle, leather jackets and ranching. Unforgettable. I saved the business card from it, but I can't seem to find it maybe it got lost when I got out of SF. I think you would love it. Now what was it anyway? ...and where is it?

Take a look at this, some idiot is on the 'bay flogging and SEC on 20's.
Gonna mess up his steering geometry, his speedometer reading, scuff the wheel openings, get a ride like roller skates in a gravel pit, and NO protection for the wheels in pot holes, and be a really bad cruiser.

POS and the interior color is just WRONG

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMEMM%3AIID&viewitem=&item=180153831822

Worst kind of ebayer from the comments about photoshopping damage, shill bidders, what a slimeball dealer.

Ebay cars can be scary, but then so can charity auction cars, too....

Gotta be careful, do your homework

I see rolling jokes like this and I am sooooo glad I bought the wheels I just did.

Now WHEN in the hell will they ever GET here?

I even turned down a set of period correct AMG SEC wheels cause they were 17".

20", now, I ask you???!!

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1991 560 SEC AMG, 199k <---- 300 hp 10:1 ECE euro HV ...

1995 E 420, 170k "The Red Plum" (sold)

2015 BMW 535i xdrive awd Stage 1 DINAN, 6k, <----364 hp

1967 Mercury Cougar, 49k

2013 Jaguar XF, 20k <----340 hp Supercharged, All Wheel Drive (sold)

Yikes

I'll keep mine

Don't like the wheels at all
Looks like its running on rims

Wasted $4500 on those

Interior is lackluster
look at the dash & headliner
look at the sunroof
Looks like it has water damage

What happened to the 560 SEC?

LOL

Russian site can't find the vin on the 560?



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-500-Series-Merc-Benz-500-SEC_W0QQitemZ330159924122QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6332QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

orig ca car
494California version
California version (с 01.05.1973 по 31.12.1995)
version for USA/California/Canada (с 01.01.1996)
490 + 492 (с 01.12.1966 по 30.09.1967
passes smog


still like mine better
this one doesn't have the lines
84 US

To be blunt about it, "What is the past tense of Virgin?"

LOL

This '84 is a little better.

Stupid personalised vanity license plate on it though.

But, the 1986-1991 chromed wheels on that one is EXACTLY the effect I had in mind when I just ordered the updated 1992-1999 chromed S-class W140 wheels for my 1991 car.

Same kind of thing. Noticeable, better, more modern touch for the car, but not bling or showing off.

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1991 560 SEC AMG, 199k <---- 300 hp 10:1 ECE euro HV ...

1995 E 420, 170k "The Red Plum" (sold)

2015 BMW 535i xdrive awd Stage 1 DINAN, 6k, <----364 hp

1967 Mercury Cougar, 49k

2013 Jaguar XF, 20k <----340 hp Supercharged, All Wheel Drive (sold)

White car looks ok
looks like it was in this valley about 4 yrs ago

No pic of engine?

Nice to have what looks like orig wheels

Still you never know

How can I tell is pressure specs on my radiator cap are right?

It says 120

I just saw a cap supposedly for the engine with 140 on it...
well actually for 84 500 SEC & a whole lot of others
but you never know maybe the 83 was different or the pic was just a sample pic?


Behr Radiator $305
http://www.***********************/products/products.php?year=1984&make_text=mercedes_benz&model_text=500sec&category=cooling_system&subcategory=radiator

washable filter
http://www.***********************/products/products.php?year=1984&make_text=mercedes_benz&model_text=500sec&category=air_intake&subcategory=air_filters

hoof pad runs about $75
free shipping here over $50

http://www.***********************/products/products.php?year=1984&make_text=mercedes_benz&model_text=500sec&category=body_sheet_metal&subcategory=hood&part_name=hood_pad

I'm pretty sure you chose correctly the EURO Behr replacement radiator for your car. Looks like the Euro Behr costs $100 more than the standard US spec one - as I suspected, there must be some difference between the US and Euro ones, but don't know what that is.

The rarity of demand for the euro parts might make them more expensive here.

Are you going for one? I would if I were you.

One thing, though, have you selected a shop (I assume you don't do the install yourself...)

It is only really fair if you let the shop order it, as you are stealing a little of their profit if you sorce the parts yourself, and deny them the markup on them they are entitled to.

Either at Enrique, your British cars shop, or some radiator shop......

Not so sure about the hood pad - looks like $70 is about right, at the parts house or that ebay auction I mentioned.

For that, you will go to a body shop right? Risk too great of damage to hood and paint job if you do it yourself. Plus likely the hood will need to rbe removed for the install, and removal of adhesive is exhausting.

I would shop around for that one, at a few body shops. Not a big deal.
Just pay the labor hours on it.


I have never heard of this auto parts wherehouse. Perhaps they are ok, but what about Phil's Fastlane parts?

They are the sponsors of this forum, why don't you call them and see if their price is comparable or close?

Their customer service is supposed to be great, too.

EPS parts and BuyMB parts are good too, I used both of them.

Not telling you what to do, though, just telling my opinions, as you don't seem to mind getting them.

You are basically on the right track, though, and that is good......

Tomorrow is a holiday, so it is likely they are closed, and probably nothing will get done. More time for you to poke around, and research a little.

But, it seems you are using the internet wisely

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1991 560 SEC AMG, 199k <---- 300 hp 10:1 ECE euro HV ...

1995 E 420, 170k "The Red Plum" (sold)

2015 BMW 535i xdrive awd Stage 1 DINAN, 6k, <----364 hp

1967 Mercury Cougar, 49k

2013 Jaguar XF, 20k <----340 hp Supercharged, All Wheel Drive (sold)

just looking
getting an idea
trying to learn

That's why I don't want to order
I'll leave it t an expert
I dion't mind paying them to d to the job right
much better than spendning $ & time & getting it messes up

Enriques prices are good
but have to see what he wants to do

I think he really wants to do the easy quick maint on the newere ones
maybe its more profitable
but I'll work with him timewise
so we can get this 83 Euro road worthy


I think it might not be radiator
may be a guage or electrical connection problem
I did see fuel uage waiver
& tep did drop more quicky than it should if it was reading right

I guess you can[t lose 5 degrees in a second

Just a hunch or hope its a connectio
Maybe its all just that

Still he says the thremo was sticking
Who knows
maybe it was
but maybe the guageis also not reading right

Just too hot to be out there
hope it cools down in a few days


Thanks


10PM 95 degrees

Oh boy, the K & N thing again. Here we go.

There are pretty strong opinions pro and con, on those things, but I've long ago made up my mind.

There are LOTS of threads on this, pretty much the same arguments. Run search function and pull some of them up if you want.

The K&Ns are one-time purchase "oil bath" type filters, that are re-useable.

They don't really increase your power or mileage to any significant extent.

They are more open than the standard type of filters, so it is true, they DO increase air flow to you engine.


But ------ and this is a very important point, ----- being more open, they also let in more dirt, crud, contaminants and small rocks into your engine, and don't "filter" as well as the stock air cleaners of traditional air filters.

I don't want that $hit going into my engine, thank you very much.

The so-called studies in the K & N advertisements, are hokum because they are unscientific, and are rigged to show the K & N filters are better. I simply don't buy it.

Then there is another thing, the oil bath the K & N filters need to take, are ONLY to be done in the oil supplied by GUESS who? K & N!!!! Another expense for you.

Then there is another problem. You'd better oil bathe them perfectly. Too much, and you reinstall them and you'll get K & N oil bath oil, ALL over you MAF filter, and who knows what else, and ruin these delicate and sensitive parts, and you savings down the drain. AND then some.

My verdict: K & N........... NO, never on a Mercedes...Or a Mustang, Impala, Firebird, or any car. Period.


I wuld recommend buying a standard acceptable regular filter.

I am suspicious of the $12 one advertised, it sounds like some no name brand.

Most definately, I would stick with the MANN brand from Germany, it is about $60 or something, like the factory Mercedes Benz air filter, but come on, how often you have to change them? They can run 15,000 to 30,000 miles depending on where you live.

And you are a low mileage driver, CS. Pony up the $$$ and get a good one.

They do work. I have opened up my air cleanier housing and found rocks, bugs, butterflies, small stones and dirt all around the housing outside the air filter. Good Mercedes air filters REALLY are worth it, and really do the job.

Changing one is so easy even I can do it. Just loosen the clips and the wing nut on your air cleaner cover and you're in there.

Mann or Genuine Mercedes Benz, but arguably a Fram could fit, out of some auto parts stores.

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1991 560 SEC AMG, 199k <---- 300 hp 10:1 ECE euro HV ...

1995 E 420, 170k "The Red Plum" (sold)

2015 BMW 535i xdrive awd Stage 1 DINAN, 6k, <----364 hp

1967 Mercury Cougar, 49k

2013 Jaguar XF, 20k <----340 hp Supercharged, All Wheel Drive (sold)