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Old 01-08-2009, 01:30 PM
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No, silly rumor. Still very much available and probably will be for another 25 years.
This is NOT a rumor.

MB has discontinued the 1991 190E 2.3 wire harness and several other models in the last three months.
All MB sources confirm this, and state there will be more discontinued soon.

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Old 01-08-2009, 01:47 PM
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Dealer tells me lots of inventory, no sign of any change.
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Old 01-08-2009, 06:25 PM
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Dealer tells me lots of inventory, no sign of any change.
Please PM your dealer contact data to me.
I have checked with seven dealers in four states + MBUSA

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49 state
harness number MB# 201 543 81 06
Discontinued, No longer available

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harness number MB# 201 543 83 06
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Old 01-25-2009, 01:50 PM
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DO NOT buy a 400E.....unless you want the headaches.
Best car is a 94/95 E320. You will still have wiring issues, evaporator issues (big $$$$) ball joints, need to replace the whole control arm ($$$$) transmission ($$$$) head gasket every 40KMiles + - ($$$$).
Look for a car that has had these items done and you MUST have the service history....MUST !!!!!
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A 400E/E420 without ASR is about as reliable and durable car as they ever made.
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Old 01-25-2009, 02:03 PM
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DEFINITELY do not buy a 400E with ASR
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Good advice, but not limited to 400Es. ASR can often be more trouble than the rest of the car combined.
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My 400E purchase was an educated shot in the dark, and it has not been perfect, but I love the car. Mine is a 93 with 165k. I purchased it 4k miles ago, in average mechanical condition, albeit with full records. The PO did the harness and the ETA, 2 very common failure points on the V8 cars. My car has ASR, and the throttle actuator was replaced because of an ASR fault. The shop bill says $1200 installed. Unless it's a throttle actuator, most ASR issues on these cars, as I understand it, are more PITA than part$. Also, just because the ASR light comes on and it goes into limp mode, does not mean ASR is the problem - just that many situations that cause limp mode will disable the ASR. There are wheel sensors, grounds, all sorts of small failure points in the chain. Right after I bought the car, the ASR light came back on, which I fixed by replacing the left taillight bulb housing with a used part. The grounds can can fail and need to be re-soldered, or circuit board/bulb housing replaced. I could be wrong, but ASR isn't something to be as scared of as some say. Sure it will be cheaper to maintain without, but it's not a deal killer if the car is in good shape. I think most of them had it anyway, and it's quite a nice feature when pulling into traffic at full throttle while turning! Hmm let's see.....I had a 97 C230, an 83 300D, and an 06 c350 - my 400E is the most solid of the 4, and the most fun to drive. To me, it's not an MB unless it has a diesel or a V8 - just my bias. Also, there's nothing like the muted exhaust burble and the explosive 75-120 acceleration in the V8 124s!! M119 motor is definitely the strong point in the cars; read the forum and you will find the internals almost never fail, provided the oil has been changed regularly - at least every 7500 miles. Some are wary of chains, but my shop is highly experienced and reputable (and expen$ive), and they say they have never replaced a chain in an M119. You won't have the head gasket issue either, like you would on an M104. My PS pump does leak, and I was quoted $750 to replace all the seals in it - but that it would probably keep running like that, with periodic fluid top-off - indefinitely. Bottom line - unless it's a V12, if the overall car is in good shape, buy whichever model is most enjoyable (V8 ) to you
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Old 02-16-2009, 01:18 PM
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Yeah the 400E can be a nice car...once you educate yourself about all the "issues". ASR is a potential nightmare though.
Having said that, as a used car purchase, it does have the potential for providing alot of pleasure.
Make SURE the maintainence has been done, especially on the tranny. Regular, documented, fluid changes will double it's live.
Although the chain may not be a known problem the chain guides are and if you need to replace all of them it is pricey.
The other thing to consider is the W124 quality dropped off after 1993 with body rust much more common in 1994 and 1995.
So, try and get a 1992 or 1993 W124, regardless of the engine.
If anyone needs a good used wiring harness for the 92/93 400E I have one to sell. $400. It is a replacement that was in the car 4 years.
Car rear ended and written off,,,boohoo.
PM me. Offers considered
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Right or wrong, the 'issues' are what kept me from buying a seemingly very nice '92 400E w about 115K on it a couple of weeks ago for $4500.

It had been updated with the Euro headlights, Koni's, H&R sport springs, aftermarket wheels etc.

But being a 400E/E420 newbie, I knew I didn't yet know enough yet about 'the issues' to make a confident purchase. No maintenance history other than the last 3 years with the current owner, who put a water pump and motor mounts in.
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Old 02-17-2009, 11:41 AM
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The "issues" on that car for me would be the modifications, especiallly Koni shock absorbers. A nice 400E/E420 without ASR is probably as long lasting a used car as was ever made, but still more economically viable in the hands of a DIYer.

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