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Old 10-05-2001, 01:57 PM
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ovp relay failure symptons

Are the following all symptoms of ovp relay failure?

Engine cranks but does not start - starts perfectly 5 min later
Poor gear changing - intermittently
Slightly uneven idle
Surging and unexpected acceleration when cruise switched on
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Old 10-05-2001, 02:10 PM
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Based on my experiences:
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Engine cranks but does not start - starts perfectly 5 min later
Valve guide seals

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Poor gear changing - intermittently
transmission fluid and filter

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Slightly uneven idle
resistor-tips on spark plug wires and/or distributor cap and rotor

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Surging and unexpected acceleration when cruise switched on
definitely the CC amp

I encourage other members to confirm, but does not sound like OVP, anyway. Cheers, Andrew Seidel.
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Old 10-06-2001, 06:08 AM
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Your engine is warm, you try and start it, but it only cranks... but will randomly start a short while later.... that is a symptom of the OVP. Also, the OVP has been known to cause a rough idle. But you can try a bottle of Chevron's Techron to help clean the fuel system to hopefully smooth out the idle. WHen last were the spark plugs changed? What about the fuel filter?
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Old 10-06-2001, 10:28 PM
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I concur about the OVP being the source of warm start problems. The first thread I ever posted involved a warm start problem, and replacing the OVP solved it.

The rough idle problem can be caused by a number of things, electrical, vacuum, or fuel system. That will require a bit of top-down stepping through each of the systems to rule out causes, otherwise you end up just "throwing parts" at the problem.
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Old 08-17-2002, 08:52 PM
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when you guys state the engine "cranks". Do you mean the engine seems to ignite but immediately dies thereafter?

I have been noticing my warm engine starts to do this recently. If it doesn't die, it hesitates upon ignition and then maintains the start and rev's high and comes back down to normal. Cold starts are no problem at all. I can get around the warm engine start by gently throttling my gas pedal upon startup.

I've changed my wiring harness at 97K on my 95 C220 to take care of other symptoms and hoped it would solve this one.

I have been reading all about the OVP on this forum and just want to make sure my symptoms are classic OVP before conferring with my local mech. Seems like a very easy change and inexpensive.

thanks!
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Old 08-17-2002, 11:25 PM
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Good article on start problems

http://www.mbca.org/pages/tech/MBCA_Rough_starting.htm
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Old 08-18-2002, 04:33 AM
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Rough idle and no warm start problems are probably (hopefully) an OVP problem. My 16V had all the classic problems -- intermittent starting/stalling problems (only when warm), finally no start or idle. I did the following (tho' they might not have needed changing, nowhere in my vehicle records were the parts shown as being replaced -- I call it preventive maintenance):

1. New injectors and seals
2. New cap and rotor
3. New Fuel Pump Relay
4. New air temp sensor
5. New OVP fuse (tho' it was not blown)
6. New Idle Speed Valve

Seemed to work fine for about a couple weeks, then the stalling started happening again. Just for kicks, I unplugged the 2-pin connector for the Idle Valve and fired the car back up. It idled like a charm! Went in to look at my CD and found where the 2 wires go:

a) red/yel -- directly to the OVP
b) red/wht -- to CIS-E Control Unit --> red/yel to the OVP

I've got the OVP yanked and am ready to order a new one. Will let you all know the outcome (fingers crossed). I just installed my Bilstein shocks and H&R springs last weekend and the car looks SWEET! I've gotta get this stalling taken care of.

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Old 08-18-2002, 07:50 AM
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Not sure what the OVP relay does to the engine if you car has HFM engine management system. It could certainly cause some of these symptoms in a KE-Jetronic car, but my HFM car runs fine with the OVP relay removed. OVP failure will always bring on the ABS warning light. If that light's not on, then OVP is OK.

I suggest you check for vacuum leaks before spending any money - this would tie in with the poor shifting.
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Old 08-18-2002, 01:19 PM
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I checked the 15A Fuse today on my OVP and it looked fine. How hard is it to change the OVP?
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Rough starting

If the engine has a rought time starting WHEN WARM, but starts fine when cold, and runs fine onces started, you could be having a fuel pressure leakdown. Likely suspects are a bad injector (can go hand in hand with a rough idle), or a failing accumulator ($65 part).
This is just a hypothetical. On my w126, replacing the accumulator and the injectors at 100k miles did miracles in terms of smoothness. There was nothing wrong with the OVP.
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Old 08-18-2002, 03:21 PM
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you got it - it runs like new once started. only when its warm, does the enigine start get funky. and it happens more not when I immediately start up the engine again after turning it off, but when it has time to sit a bit - maybe 15+ minutes. My idle doesn't seem to be rough - it sits right around 500-700.

could it also be my spark plug wires?

what's the cost of a bad injector...thanks for the help!
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Old 08-18-2002, 06:22 PM
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A new injector costs you about $30, plus another $5 or $6 for the seat and the seal. The seat you can most likely skip, the seal is a must. However, identifying the injector is a pain, and me being a former airplane owner and a current pilot, I don't like to take risks - i.e. if one went, then others might go too, so I replaced them all. If you do that, you might budget replacing any air hoses that attach to the injectors (I don't know what kind of car you have, I have a 89 560SEL, and it has two hoses at about $12 a piece that fed into the injector holders.) If you DO do all the injectors, replace the holders as well.

The accumulator might be a first try - you can test for it (search oher posts here). If it fails the test, you got your problem, and it's not bad replacing it - it's just as easy as doing a fuel filter (at least on my car).

I DON'T think your problem is in the ignition or any of the other computerized systems - if it works fine but has some trouble starting warm, I'd bet it's a leakdown, and if it's a bit rough I suspect it's an injector causing the roughness and the leakdown.
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Old 08-18-2002, 06:41 PM
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Great information, I really appreciate it. I'll forward it on to the Indep Merc shop I go to. Sounds like the injectors or accumulators shouldn't be to $$$

Can I just live with the warm start problem or is it a harbinger of worse things?

I haven't replaced my charcoal cannister to my recollection - i wonder if that could also be the case? Im just shooting in the dark now.
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Don't know what car you have, but my suspicion is it's NOT a harbringer of worse things to come. But I am not a pro at his...
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I have a 95 C220 at around 97K miles.
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