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Calling all petrol engine combustion gurus (M102 based qu)
G'day Folks,
Due to a slight mishap that I'd rather forget I've got my engine in bits. I was wondering what has caused the amazing rock hard coke-like build up of crud in this engine. I think it is probably due to a life of just going to the shops but just in case I thought I'd ask you guys if you think there might be a fuel problem too. The pistons are pretty grotty => ![]() (Oil on piston is actually ATF - I'm soaking the muck off) Oil scraper ring is also pretty clogged up - holes / slots in the ring are totally full of rock hard gunk ![]() But the cylinder bores are still in good condition ![]() ![]()
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looks like sugar in the gas tank by a enemy
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Continued due to attachment limit...
The top end of the engine seems to have suffered from oil ingress via the inlet =>
![]() ^^^ cylinders #1 and #2 ![]() ^^^ #3 and #4 So here's a picture of the combustion chamber recesses in the head ![]() And the valves ![]() Inlet valves looking quite clean actually despite evidence of crank case breather oil being sucked through. But the exhaust valves - yuk! ![]()
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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver 1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone 1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy! 1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior ![]() Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits! |
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Are you sure? Most forum members can't reach me here!
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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver 1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone 1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy! 1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior ![]() Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits! |
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Seriously though - fuel problem as well as a crank case breather gunk related problem?
Or just crank case breather a life of short trips problem?
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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver 1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone 1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy! 1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior ![]() Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits! |
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oh yes looks like it was sucking oil.
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I think you called it. Low maintenance, cheap oil and short trips. The engine gunk doesn't look bad, about what you'd expect.
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Thanks Mike - really? That amount of gunk normal for about 100,000 miles?
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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver 1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone 1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy! 1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior ![]() Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits! |
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I wouldn't call that abnormal. Looks about average. In fact the head is a little above average. If you note the area of clean aluminum around the intake valve, in the chamber, tells me that it has been burning a decent grade gasoline.
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Normal on a properly maintained car? No. On a car using cheap oil, short trips, etc, yup, pretty common.
There used to be an oil (and it"s probably still around) by the trade name of "Pennz-oil". When it was used in a car which only went on short trips, it would build up a waxy residue. I have personally seen it so thick inside the valve covers it actually restricted the return flow of oil into the sump. Once a week drive on the highway kept it flowing but short trips, forget it. I don't see much wear on the bores. How were the measurements? Out of taper?
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I haven't got a bore micrometer yet. (In the post)
Thanks for the condition opinions - it is interesting to hear what everyone thinks - I just haven't seen enough of them to form an opinion. (I hope I don't get to see any more actually!)
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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver 1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone 1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy! 1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior ![]() Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits! |
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Nandgopal
coming from India, I have see that stale gas causes such deposits. Gas sitting idle in a tank allows the volatile portions to evoparate but on deposits such gunk in the cylinder head. I have seem premature failure of engine due to build up of such deposits. I would suggest that unless you propose use up the gas do'nt let it sit idle in your tank for over 30 days.
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