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Seeking confirmation: Mercedes and duty cycle
G'day Folks,
I'm having a miserable time trying to diagnose a now consistent stalling problem on my W201. { After you drive the car the engine wants to stall when you dip the clutch. Start the car and rev from idle it is fine. I can't reproduce the fault that way. } So Looking at the WIS / FSM information I have for this piece of **** I see that there are two ways of measuring fault codes. Way #1 => Blip code tester. Plug it in. Get a red light. Press the button for about 2 seconds - count the error codes as they come back. I always get one blip = everything OK mate! Way #2 => Ignition on - engine not running. Measure duty cycle at X11 port (On W201 next to ABS pump left hand wheel arch engine bay) Pin #2 is ground Pin #3 is output from O2 sensor => duty cycle For this I measure a 30% (29.8%) error code. ############ Checking in the WIS / FSM information I've got that says temperature sender (from coolant). There is nothing wrong with this part of the car - I am totally sure about this. I get a reasonable resistance reading from the sender and I can trace this resistance all the back to the ECU plug. (Between pins7 and 21 on the ECU plug) ############ HOWEVER (!) I remember reading somewhere that Mercedes "duty cycle" is the inverse of normal duty cycle. So 50% is always 50% but 30% is 70% (20 is 80 - 10 is 90 etc etc etc) Can some one confirm? Anyone know?
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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver 1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone 1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy! 1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits! |
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I thought the meter would compare steady with fluctuating:- in other words even if I had got the negative (earth) mixed up the meter would "know"
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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver 1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone 1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy! 1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits! |
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I saw the inversion waaay back when. Using 2 and 3 ports, readings went from 90 / 10 to 10 / 90
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I'm sure pin 2 on the X11 diagnostic plug is -tve and pin 3 is the +tve signal though
That's what gives me an ignition on - engine not running - fault "code" of 30%. Problem is that doesn't agree with the fault finding I've made of the connections and the coolant sensor. Now if 30% on my meter meant 70% in "Mercedes land" I'd be much happier believing that!
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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver 1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone 1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy! 1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits! |
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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver 1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone 1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy! 1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits! |
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Stretch:
As a check on the position of the duty cycle scale of your meter, consider using voltages as outlined in the Mixture Adjustment link that you posted above. That way you can determine if 30% = 30%, or if 30% = 70%. |
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Oh yes - wood and trees again...
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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver 1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone 1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy! 1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits! |
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