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Old 07-28-2003, 04:33 AM
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What models have turbo engines these days?

I mean non-diesel models.

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Old 07-28-2003, 07:06 AM
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I assume you mean MB's only. I don't think that there are any new models with turbo. With much of the new induction technology including superchargers on the smaller engines and resonance induction on the larger engines, turbo's just aren't really necessary given the benefit/long term reliability trade off.

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Old 07-28-2003, 07:15 AM
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Are you guys forgeting the new S600!!
Twin turbo V12, 500 HP...

This sould be the ultimate Mercedes!
S 500
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Old 07-28-2003, 02:13 PM
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Do the CDIs have turbos or superchargers? In the vernacular of course, recognizing that the turbocharger is a supercharger.

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Old 07-28-2003, 02:22 PM
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A turbocharger is not a supercharger although it accomplishes the same task. Both are compressors to force in more air than the engine can draw by itself. That said the turbo charger is driven by exhaust waste energy while a supercharger is driven by crankshaft torque.

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Old 07-28-2003, 09:28 PM
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CL65, SL65, C30CDI, All AMG models

S600 Biturbo
CL600 Biturbo
No Benzes in the stable at the moment, but itching for one again.

Former Mercedes in the Stable:
1983 300CD Turbo diesel 515k mi sold
1984 300CD Turbo Diesel 150 k mi sold
1982 300D Turbo Diesel 225 sold
1987 300D Turbo Diesel 255k mi sold
1988 300 CE AMG Hammer 15k mi sold
1986 300E Amg Hammer 88k mi sold
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Old 07-29-2003, 12:02 AM
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Engine fads come and go. Back when "turbos" were developed for aircraft engines by General Electric back in the WW II era they were correctly called "turbosuperchargers" to distinguish them from mechanically driven superchargers. This was, at some point, shortened to "turbocharger". WW II vintage aircraft engines designed for high altitude operation usually had two stages of boost, and some configurations had a turbosupercharger in series with a supercharger to provide the two stages. I recall that the B-17 was an example of a radial of this configuration and the Allison V-1710 V-12 as used the P-38 was an example of an "inline" engine of this configuration.

Turbochargers were all the rage in the eighties, but not too many OEMs offer them anymore. They can create a lot of thermal problems and coke the oil, and despite claims to the contrary, they all have lag. Superchargers of modern design with improved efficiency seem to be the choice of most OEMs who want to offer a boosted engine - no major thermal issues and no lag, and they package very nicely in the valley of a V-type engine.

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Old 07-29-2003, 08:22 AM
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Turbochargers are technically Superchargers. Notice that I spelled it with a capital S. There are two types of Superchargers, one driven by exhaust, and the other driven by crankshaft. Even though it is technically correct that a turbocharger is under the umbrella of Superchargers, most people don't think of it that way..........
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