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Old 04-17-2004, 05:18 PM
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Mintex Red pads for 94 E420

Folks,

I ordered Mintex Red brake pads for my 94 E420. After spending about an hour trying to get the rotors off, I realize that the fitment sent to me for the rear was incorrect. The pads were slightly LONGER by about 1/4 inch from top to bottom. Here is the fitment guide:

http://www.zftna.com/owx_medien/media104/10408.pdf

My car calls for these:


1994 1995 F MDB1626 D578
1994 1995 R MDB1627 D603

Anyone have ANY IDEA what the correct SKU# is for the rear on my car?

Doing some searching on this forum, I found that bobjohnston seemed to have the same problem. Bob... you out there?
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Old 04-19-2004, 12:38 AM
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Yep, had the same headache when I tried the Mintex pads. Turns out that our cars use the same pads as the later 124 e320's here in the US, but different ones in Europe. I originally tried the two numbers you quoted. No go on either. Ended up with MDB1724 in the front, and MDB1565D in the rear. Fit just fine. They had less dust than the factory pads, but would gum up the rotors, or glaze or something. I remember that I would have to replace them before their useful life was up, and had to periodically replace the anti-squeal stuff.

Before that, I tried the EBC pads. Squealed like a UPS truck!

Lately, I have been using PBR/AXXIS/Repco pads. The deluxe really worked the best, I see now that they have a deluxe "plus" or something, that I might try in the future. Right now, I have the Metalmaster in the above brand with ATE powerdisc rotors. Great braking power, but they roar a bit, and also get gummed up or glazed leaving a less than smooth brake action at low speeds.

Good luck! Where are you going to source these?

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Old 04-19-2004, 01:14 AM
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Bob,

Thanks for the info. After MUCH MUCH research, I found that there are 2 pads that fit the front. The MBD1503 (17.5mm) and the MDB1724 (16mm). Both are the same except for the thickness.

Using digital calipers, I measured the MDB1626(front) that were sent to me. They were 17.5mm. Had the pads been the right fitment, they would have still been too thick. Even after pushing the pistons back in, it was extreemly difficult to squeeze the pads in. No doubt that they would have rubbed significantly without applying any pressure.

The MDB1503 also shows to be 17.5mm . If I used that one for the front, I would probably have to to wait for them to wear down... as I believe you had to, right? Given that, I think the MBD1724 is correct for the front. In fact, that is what bekker.com has on their website as the correct fitment for our vehicle. They didn't send me those, as it differed from what the Mintex catalog had.

For the rears, I agree with you that the MDB1565 is the way to go. How was the thickness on those? I can't seem to find that spec.

So what exactly was your experience with the Mintex Red? Did you have any problem with the rears? Could the use of the thicker front pads have caused your problems? What exactly is rotor gumming and glazing? What does it look like?

Maybe I could get the right Mintex front pads and just use the current rotors. If I have problems, I can get the PBR and use them with the new balo rotors I have already purchased.

So, I now have the choice of returning these back to Bekkers for the correct Mintex Red pads... or... take your advice and go with the PBR/Axxis Deluxe or Deluxe Plus pads.

Where can I get Deluxe Plus? Seems like the regular deluxe are readily available (here at Mercedesshop.com). I assume PBR and Axxis are identical.

Do you have the part numbers for the PBR/Axxis pads?

Oh yea.. check this out. Gives you a drawing of all Mintex pads... just change the pad SKU# at the end:
http://mintexcat.mintex.co.uk/mintexcat/viewimage.php?imagefile=MDB1565

Or here for pad lookup. Notice 2 different selections (4.2 and 4.2i) for our E420:
http://mintexcat.mintex.co.uk/mintexcat/selection.php

Thanks!

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Old 04-19-2004, 06:49 PM
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Bob,

Also, can you verify these part numbers for the PBR Deluxe Plus pads? I believe the only thing that changes between the 4 different pad types they sell is the "DP" part of the code. DP = Deluxe Plus.

F - D907 DP - $25.00
R - D839 DP - $32.00

Thanks

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The numbers that I have are from the invoice, and there are two sets: Front: D237RM or DB1394BM+, and for the rear: D1321M or D525RM or DB1321XB+ . This should be for the metalmasters. I don't have the numbers for the deluxe that I've used in the past. Where have you been able to locate the deluxe plus?
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Old 04-20-2004, 10:49 AM
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Went to the PBR website and found a couple of distributors. Called a distrubutor and they gave me 2 retailers

johns foreign engine
www.22re.com
360-263-6675

Pacific Parts Int
818-700-8001

I purchased the following from Johns.....

PBR Deluxe Plus
F - D907 DP - $25.00
R - D839 DP - $32.00
Shipping - $15.99
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$72.99

I'll let you know if they fit once I get them.

When you get a chance, can you answer some of my questions from above?

Thanks!
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Quote-So what exactly was your experience with the Mintex Red? Did you have any problem with the rears? Could the use of the thicker front pads have caused your problems? What exactly is rotor gumming and glazing? What does it look like? end quote

Don't think thickness had anything to do with it as I eventually found the correct fitment.

The glazing/ gumming up that I mentioned was a feeling that the pads were grabbing unevenly on the rotors. I would slow to a stop, and when the speed came down to below 20 or so, the slowing action would vary with the rotation of the rotors. No pulsation to the pedal, and I checked for warping, and runout- they were well within specs. This would occur intermittently, but worsen gradually over a few months until I replaced the pads. I went through 2 or 3 sets. I'm not sure whether this was the front or rears causing the problem.

I've noticed this also lately with my metalmaster/ ate powerdisk setup, but this is after 25,000 miles or so.

So, time for replacement, I'm thinking I'll try the pbr deluxe plus and some ate powerdisks up front (or maybe just the plain balo,) with balo's in the rear.
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Old 04-20-2004, 12:36 PM
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Deluxe plus has ever so slightly more dust but better initial bite. Both the deluxe and it are great pads.

Try www.brakewarehouse.com for the deluxe plus if you live on or near the east coast.
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Wily,

How did those pads fit? I just received some Axxis Deluxe Plus. The part numbers they gave me are D561 for the front and 495 for the rear. But...., these are Axxis, not PBR numbers, and they have a Centric Parts label on them, so ??

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Old 06-12-2004, 12:12 PM
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A friend of mine who owns a parts distributership gave me a set of Axxis pads for free... and they fit great. I also have a set of PBR I purchased earlier still unused. Axxis and PBR rears were identical. The fronts were different only by thickness (Axxis was thicker.. but fit).

22-561-01 is the exact number on the bottom of the Axxis box for the Front pads (D907 DP is the number for the PBR Fronts).

For the rear, the Axxis box says 22-495-01 while the PBR says D839DP.

So, looks like you are OK.
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