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I'm no tree-hugger, but I don't think any right minded person can argue against clean air legislation PROVIDED it is applied equally to all polluters.
RWThomas1 hit the nail on the head, cars are NOT the problem anymore in North America. It is the industrial polluters, and unregulated vehicles that are causing the problems and the politicians don't have the guts to do anything about it. Much easier to penalize the car buyers and drivers that have been brainwashed into thinking they are still the reason the smog accumulates in our cities.
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Our main electricity supplier here in Atlanta and the surrounding area, Georgia Power, puts out more air pollution, water pollution, and solid waste pollutants than ALL of the cars in the metro area COMBINED! And that's just one company! There are factories, refineries, and utility companies of all types that are belching out WAY more pollution than cars ever have. Then there's trucks, city busses, school busses, trains, planes, tractors and other farm equipment, heavy construction equipment, generators, incinerators, lawnmowers/weedeaters/chainsaws/leafblowers/etc. (surprisingly gross polluters!), military vehicles...... all of which are completely unregulated by the EPA or CARB, and all of which are putting out more air pollution than modern cars AND well-kept older cars like our trusty old MB diesels. The clueless diesel car haters are barking up the wrong tree. Mike
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And don't forget the emissions of cattle...........
The tree hugging left won't be happy untill all cars are off the road. EXCEPT their own of course. I wouldn't be surprised if one of them came up with a converter they whould stick up the cows patooty ...............I seriously doubt the cow would listen to their enviro-nazi mantra however.
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I have over 32k miles on mine, with a lifetime average so far of 51 mpg. Drivers of 04 and 05 Prius even have their A/C systems driven by electricity, instead of the engine, allowing it to shut off, and remain off at lights, further improving fuel efficiency, as well as removing that load from the engine altogether. These vehicles are rated at 60 city, 51 highway, and 55 combined, and drivers are now beating these EPA numbers as their cars get broken in. Even MB is getting into the hybrid bandwagon. They have a diesel hybrid slated for production by 2008 - IMO the best of both worlds. Too bad it'll be on an $80k plus car. |
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I think a diesel hybrid would be far more efficient than a gas hybrid.......If the enviro-nazis would all move to some remote pacific island and stay there.
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I am an European born US citizen and I have lived in the USA since 1980. i was just in Europe for the last 3 years and. In Portugal I would say 70% of all cars are diesel. MB would be about 95%. You can buy any model including US cars with a diesel engine. I was driving a 87 300SDL. Yes diesel is more efficient and breaks down less but the main reason is fuel price. Europeanse pay about $4.75 USD per gallon of gasoline. Diesel is about 30% cheaper. Yes the cars cost more but in long run are still cheaper. So for the europeans is mainly cost effective. Diesel in our country in more expensive. Yes you get better MPG so essentialy they are cheaper to run on a long run but americans dont keep their cars for as long as the europeans. good luck |
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And about the hybrids-I don't see it catching on at all out here in the sticks. Maybe in the cities, I don't know. There is one hybrid in this area and, after looking it over, I must say God help you in the event of an accident. You'd have more protection driving a beer can. Isn't Honda or Toyota coming out with a new diesel that meets U.S. requirements? Thought I read that somewhere recently. Cheers, Bill |
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Sorry hybrid owners-no offense. Just my personal taste Cheers, Bill |
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