143 horsepower jetta diesel engine.

[barry123400]

I was by my normally reliable volkswagon dealer today. When I inquire about when the new diesel engine will be here he stated mid 2008. Then he suprised me by mentioing that they had just been informed it will be 143 horsepower. A two litre capacity block as well.
I wonder if true what will be left if anything of the once decent fuel milage. I always felt the 90 and 100 horsepower engines were adaquate generally. I also have to wonder what the corporate thinking is. People have purchased these for the economy of operation in the past. Has there been some technical break through? If it got 143 horses out and really good fuel milage it would be a hot seller. In fact there might be few gas cars that could stay with it. Time will tell both if the information was accurate and that engine is practical.

[t walgamuth]

i predict the economy will be fine.

the new controls for the fuel injection are simply amazing.

it will only use a lot of fuel when you are getting on it!

tom w

[Hatterasguy]

My 20 year old 603 makes more power. Its about time VW.

[justinperkins]

Already available in other places like the UK. It's the Golf GT or Jetta Sport with a 2.0 TDI.

I tried to copy/paste specs here but they got all messed up. See here:
http://vw.co.uk/new_cars/golf/engines

And select the 2.0 TDI from the drop-down, then click Go.

[diametricalbenz]

Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

My 20 year old 603 makes more power. Its about time VW.

Loosen 2 injectors to keep the displacement field even.

The 140hp 2.0 TDI 60.1 mpg!
The 170hp 2.0 TDI 58.9 mpg!

Low 8 second to 60 runs and 258 lbft of torque at 2000rpm's is great!

Even if the engines produce 50mpg that's equal to the max MPG of the TDI's today. You all don't know how close we were to having VW exit the diesel market. I haven't spoken to one of the German engineers here in the states for over a year but i guess they figured out a way to absorb the (then) $5000 per vehicle to make it cost effective in the marketplace and have to deal with the cooler exhaust temperatures with biodiesel and minimize clogging catalysts. There is also a supply issue with the diesels being dirty as they are and therefore the manufacturer can only have a certain average emissions dirtiness factor thereby limiting the number of TDI's reaching our shores.

[justinperkins]

OT: I love how when you go to volkswagen.de, they list the CO2 emissions along with all the other engine specs.

Oh and where is this 170HP TDI? Where did those numbers come from?

[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by justinperkins

Oh and where is this 170HP TDI? Where did those numbers come from?

Perhaps from the link you provided two posts ago? One can select different engines to see the specifications.

[justinperkins]

D'oh, I didn't see the 170PS, only the 140.

[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by diametricalbenz

The 140hp 2.0 TDI 60.1 mpg!
The 170hp 2.0 TDI 58.9 mpg!

Originally Posted by diametricalbenz

Even if the engines produce 50mpg that's equal to the max MPG of the TDI's today.

Keep in mind that they're using imperial gallons for the MPG figures on that page - so the 60.1 MPG figure (imperial) really is 50 MPG (U.S.)

No complaint here, just striving for accuracy!

Make mine a wagon, please...

[rwthomas1]

The TDI's that are here now can hit that number pretty easily with injectors and a chip. And they still get 45+mpg. RT

[justinperkins]

While we're at it I'll take a Polo or a Lupo TDI that get 70 or so mpg.

[barry123400]

I suspect volkswagon may be playing the old mercedes game as well. Six speed transmissions in europe and five speed for over here. With 143 hp on tap you would not even have to drop back a gear while increasing speed going uphill with a six speed. That torque at 2000 rpm more or less guarantees it.
In fact they might be capable of handeling a third overdive gear. If so they will get that transmission in europe and we probably still will get only a six speed. A six speed is still better than what has generally been available here. I cannot even visulise what a 170 horsepower diesel would do with a fairly light car like a jetta. Imagine looking at a volkswagon as something semi exotic.
Do I need a volkswagon with a hundred and seventy horsepower diesel? The answer is obviously no. Do I want a volkswagon with a hundred and seventy f horsepower diesel? The answer to that is obvious as well. If I can get it by the wife that is.
She likes puttering around on the lawn tractors for example. One year I was not cutting the grass to her satisfaction at home and the cottage. So she confiscated them. For some reason I never objected. She confiscated the last new jetta tdi from me too. As I sit here I cannot figure a way to have that car if I buy it. Why does she want all the toys in the sandbox? Maybe there is a colour she would not be caught dead in. Gotta think this over.
I also now have to wonder what overall technology is being used. If the displacement could be reduced to just give you 100 horsepower. You would then see closer to 100 mpg on the imperial gallon. Today I noticed used 2005 tdi diesel cars where selling for more than when new on the dealers lot. I have never seen this before other than with extremely low production cars.

[jfman]

Performance diesels are great and very desirable. Ask the Duramax guyz... The duramax truck are more powerfull than the gassers and they are hghly desirable.

Same can be expected of cars. If VW can produce an affordable fast diesel, it will be very desirable.

And 170hp aint that much power. Need I remind you guyz that most new economy cars make about that much or maybe a little bit less.

Originally Posted by barry123400

I also now have to wonder if whatever overall technology being used if the displacement could be reduced to just give you 100 horsepower if you would see closer to 100 mpg on the imperial gallon.

It's called boost, and lots of it. Turbos with variable vanes, intercoolers HIGH pressure direct injection systems etc...

[tdi994me]

Don't let those MPG numbers fool you. It will most likely get the same or a little less MPG when compared to the current 1.9L PD TDI. Lets see... The ALH engine came out with 49mpg highway, then the PD comes out- 10 more hp and a drop in MPG. Wonder what the actual MPG will be for the new CR TDI engines coming out? They should bring a Polo or lupo like Justin was saying.

[barry123400]

Power like most things is relevant. It is hard trying to drive a 67 hp heavy weight 240d and comparing it to a much lighter car with a 170 horse power diesel engine. For us 240d guys it would almost be like strapping ourselves into a starfighter by comparison.This much separation is almost unbelievable. Although each car has its place in the overall scheme of things. The horse and buggy to starship analogy is not too far off the wall. Almost like the two ends of a spectrum. The middle ground is vast.