Thinking about buying a (gasp) Ford.... - Page 3 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

justinperkins · #31 02-02-2007, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Knightrider966

My neighbor bought one and hates it! Unfortunately he can't take it back now. It's been in the shop for many different repairs all under warranty, but even those end sometime! He says to expect to get about 8 to 9 MPG at best and it costs him about $100 to fill it up and he does it 2 times a week or more! Do you really have that kind of money?

The Jeep Cherokee has a diesel option and will do about 25 MPG and the Dodge Sprinter is a real decent option with a diesel that will do about 28 MPG. Rick, my neighboe wishes he'd gone for the Jeep Cherokee now.

That's the Liberty that has a diesel option (CDL), not the Cherokee. It's a cool little baby SUV, might be tough to find locally.

justinperkins · #32 02-02-2007, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mrhills0146

I would very much like to hear a rational reason why anyone would want or need a vehicle the size of an Excursion.

Me too.

iNeon · #33 02-02-2007, 03:35 PM

Maybe because they want the utility of a bigger-than-full-size diesel monster truck and also need space for passengers.

The mere mention of hunting, a family and the need for a diesel engine say this is a legit purchase. The Excursion people don't worry me as much as the *millions* of single people that purchase v8 4x4 grocery getters.

The Excursion actually has a purpose-- it's made to haul a trailer AND your family in comfort and luxury. The Kia/Hyundai/Mazda/Toyota/Honda and Nissan 4x4s are the ones with no logical place in the market. They seat 4 comfortably, get 20mpg and simply don't get taken off the paved road because they're too delicate.

A Ford may be unrefined and ancient in design compared to contemporary Asian vehicles-- but I know which car *I'd* trust to take me to the middle of no cell-phone service country, and it wouldn't be based on a Camry chassis.

justinperkins · #34 02-02-2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by iNeon

Maybe because they want the utility of a bigger-than-full-size diesel monster truck and also need space for passengers.

The mere mention of hunting, a family and the need for a diesel engine say this is a legit purchase. The Excursion people don't worry me as much as the *millions* of single people that purchase v8 4x4 grocery getters.

The Excursion actually has a purpose-- it's made to haul a trailer AND your family in comfort and luxury. The Kia/Hyundai/Mazda/Toyota/Honda and Nissan 4x4s are the ones with no logical place in the market. They seat 4 comfortably, get 20mpg and simply don't get taken off the paved road because they're too delicate.

A Ford may be unrefined and ancient in design compared to contemporary Asian vehicles-- but I know which car *I'd* trust to take me to the middle of no cell-phone service country, and it wouldn't be based on a Camry chassis.

Tell that to the loads of moms I see driving around running errands by themselves or the dads I see driving to/from work. They love their Excursions/Escalades/H3s etc...

byrdandcompany · #35 02-02-2007, 03:47 PM

that is why I want a large SUV. i tried putting my kids in a back of a accord....try three carseats back there...it doesn't work. Tried with a pos taurus and it didn't work either. Went out and bought a tahoe with 3rd row seating. I like it but i wish it were bigger. If you want to bring any friends along, and with three little girls, friends always tend to come along, try fitting them in there and have any room left for luggage.

I wanted an Diesel Excursion myself, but I have my doubts about Ford. I had a 1983 Ford Ranger diesel...it about blew up on me. I had a F150 which had 4 transmission jobs within 6 months of owning it, and I had a 97 taurus which had transmission jobs and a host of other things go wrong with it. I like the looks of a Ford but I ain't going to buy one.

iNeon · #36 02-02-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by justinperkins

Tell that to the loads of moms I see driving around running errands by themselves or the dads I see driving to/from work. They love their Excursions/Escalades/H3s etc...

Go hug a flippin tree-- and drive your soot spewing diesel automobiles to the woods to do it, too.

Do you use all 4 of your seats every time you drive somewhere? Do you use all 7 in your wagon? Shut your trap if you don't. You're doing the same thing.

rrgrassi · #37 02-02-2007, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by iNeon

Maybe because they want the utility of a bigger-than-full-size diesel monster truck and also need space for passengers.

The mere mention of hunting, a family and the need for a diesel engine say this is a legit purchase. The Excursion people don't worry me as much as the *millions* of single people that purchase v8 4x4 grocery getters.

The Excursion actually has a purpose-- it's made to haul a trailer AND your family in comfort and luxury. The Kia/Hyundai/Mazda/Toyota/Honda and Nissan 4x4s are the ones with no logical place in the market. They seat 4 comfortably, get 20mpg and simply don't get taken off the paved road because they're too delicate.

A Ford may be unrefined and ancient in design compared to contemporary Asian vehicles-- but I know which car *I'd* trust to take me to the middle of no cell-phone service country, and it wouldn't be based on a Camry chassis.

Ummm, wrong about the Nissan 4x4. I take my Nissan 4x4 extended cab off road a lot. I was raised and still live in a rural area. MY old Nissan is more nimble than the Ford, and it will not sink in the mud like a full sized one. I do agree with the "Moster Grocery getters" I have to laugh every time I see a SUV (Suddenly Useless Vehicle) with brush guards in the city. Like they will ever go off road.

#38 02-02-2007, 04:06 PM

An Excursion is a bloody terrible off-road vehicle. The mere size alone is a huge hinderance out in the brush.

If you are not towing an enormous boat, horse trailer, RV, or other similar-sized rig, you don't need one of these trucks. That said, it's certainly not my place to tell someone else how to spend their money, and I damn sure don't want the government to do so either.

That said, I think that driving an Excursion on a daily basis is silly. They are uncomfortable on the road and not very useful off-road. Why beat yourself up unnecessarily?

Brian Carlton · #39 02-02-2007, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by iNeon

Go hug a flippin tree-- and drive your soot spewing diesel automobiles to the woods to do it, too.

Do you use all 4 of your seats every time you drive somewhere? Do you use all 7 in your wagon? Shut your trap if you don't. You're doing the same thing.

Ahh, the famous AK Lim argument.......revisited.

So, therefore, let me get it precise:

Unless I own a bicycle for all my transportation and cut my own wood to heat my home and refrain from using olive oil on my salad, I'm not permitted to cast any judgment on folks who drive large $hitboxes.............do I have it right??

DslBnz · #40 02-02-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by captainmonk

guess no one liked my sprinter option He did say he wanted a bigger passenger carryin ability Excursion like Seems Sprinter fits that bill with a mercedes engine

Don't know. Maybe because its a van and too commercial?

I'm all for the Sprinter chassis with the OM612: An engine I'd already know enough about coming from a 60x background. I'd rather conserve fuel than worry about power. But that is for business ventures. In any other case, I'd drive my W126's for long distances, and ideally have a 124 or 123 for short jaunts locally (which I rarely do, hence why I have none).

SUV's should not even exist today. There is no need for such large vehicles other than to waste our non-renewable resources. A mid-size station-wagon with a 3rd seat should suffice nicely in any people moving circumstance.

A 210 Mercedes E-Class wagon can seat 7 passengers, adults of medium size, comfortably and still return 24 - 25 mpg at 70 - 75 mph. And that is in a wagon with the gasser engine M112 V6.

IMHO, the 210 wagon is the best deal on the market today. And it is actually ENJOYABLE to drive.

captainmonk · #41 02-02-2007, 05:00 PM

i'm all for letting everyone drive what they want My 99 Chevy Crew Cab Dually Diesel being a perfect example No good on the beach off the road but tows my net trailers well My SDL would look bad with a 12000lb trailer behind her

Hit Man X · #42 02-02-2007, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mrhills0146

I would very much like to hear a rational reason why anyone would want or need a vehicle the size of an Excursion.

You must not be a large person. Get four or five people that are 6'-6'7" and add some bags, there you have it.

People with 6-7 transmission repairs just need a new shop, your builder sucks.

#43 02-02-2007, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hit Man X

You must not be a large person. Get four or five people that are 6'-6'7" and add some bags, there you have it.

Those four guys won't fit into an E-class or BMW 5-series? Even if not, they will fit just fine into a nice used S-class. And what would you rather drive? A barn on wheels or a nice used S-class for the same money?

I must not be a large person?

Yeah, I wish. I'm 6'2", my brother is 6'10"!!

Commercial air travel is great fun for both of us.

My tastes must just be different - if I want something as responsive as a 38' Sea Ray, then I'll pilot a 38' Sea Ray. I would not drive a big SUV unless I was towing something that absolutely, positively could not be pulled behind a car.

probear · #44 02-02-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by firemediceric

Not super high mileage on mine yet, 125,000, but so far I'm not complaining.

I did have the transmission go at 51,000, NOT covered by warranty. Ford knows the torque convertors are bad. They have a TSB out telling their techs about it, but they have never done a recall on it.

I had a TC go out but the trans was saved by the external transmission filter that I had added. Too bad I didn't place the filter before the cooler. I had to replace the cooler also.....It ended up being really cheap insurance.

Other than that, no real problems with my 99PSD. The 7.3 is the best overall engine and much better, especially in the long run, than the 6.doh. I've only got 172K, but intend on keeping it for a while.

Hit Man X · #45 02-02-2007, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mrhills0146

Those four guys won't fit into an E-class or BMW 5-series? Even if not, they will fit just fine into a nice used S-class. And what would you rather drive? A barn on wheels or a nice used S-class for the same money?

I must not be a large person?

Yeah, I wish. I'm 6'2", my brother is 6'10"!!

Commercial air travel is great fun for both of us.

My tastes must just be different - if I want something as responsive as a 38' Sea Ray, then I'll pilot a 38' Sea Ray. I would not drive a big SUV unless I was towing something that absolutely, positively could not be pulled behind a car.

My bro is 6'7" and the other is 6'3" as is my Pop, I'm short at 6'1". E and 5-series are small. No way in hell we'd fit in there with any reasonable comfort. We're about maxed for space in my SDL...

You can't tow 15000lbs with an S500.