Dynamic diesel timing (renamed thread)

[1project2many]

I have a tool at the shop that "listens" for fuel injectors clicking and lights a light whenever it detects the noise. It might be adaptable to trigger a timing light. I wonder if it has a manufacturer's name on it?

While the procedure to check timing with the drip tube is more involved, once the timing is ensured to be correct the light is a great way to monitor for change over time.

Oldest specialty tool I've used? Hmmm... Does using the original jack from my '36 Plymouth count? I've got some tappet wrenches from the '30s as well. But I think a starter growler made in the '40s is probably the oldest specialty / diagnostic tool.

[Stretch]

Originally Posted by barry12345

If you are an all diesel guy. Perhaps anal inspections?

Butt how would you trigger the light?

[Stretch]

Originally Posted by 1project2many

I have a tool at the shop that "listens" for fuel injectors clicking and lights a light whenever it detects the noise. It might be adaptable to trigger a timing light. I wonder if it has a manufacturer's name on it?

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Sounds interesting

[whunter]

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[vstech]

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[sixto]

Originally Posted by 1project2many

I have a tool at the shop that "listens" for fuel injectors clicking and lights a light whenever it detects the noise. It might be adaptable to trigger a timing light. I wonder if it has a manufacturer's name on it?

What's the association between such a timing light pulse and the drip method start of delivery timing spec? I suppose you take the average of the light readings from a number of freshly timed engines as your spec.

Sixto
87 300D

[Diesel911]

Originally Posted by sixto

What's the association between such a timing light pulse and the drip method start of delivery timing spec? I suppose you take the average of the light readings from a number of freshly timed engines as your spec.

Sixto
87 300D

Yep, I occasionally drive by one of the Private companies that supplies School Buses and Drivers to the various School Districts.
They have a parking lot with over 100 of those Ford Diesel extended Passenger Vans.
A Fleet situation like that is where one of those Impulse type timers becomes valuable.

I have not read on the Forums or seen in the Manual how often the Fuel Injection Pump Timing needs to be checked; does someone know that info?

[Stretch]

Originally Posted by whunter

Diesel Engine Timing Light Tool Kit | eBay

Gunson Diesel Adaptor for Timing Lights | eBay

https://www.google.com/search?q=diesel+timing+light&client=firefox-a&hs=tQ6&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=UnRHUuHxLNSu4AO-sIHYDQ&ved=0CEoQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=859&dpr=1


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Using your search it looks like the cheapest so far is made by Sealey (used to be moderately to well respected in the UK but probably not any more)

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[Stretch]

Originally Posted by Diesel911

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I have not read on the Forums or seen in the Manual how often the Fuel Injection Pump Timing needs to be checked; does someone know that info?

Chapter 00 - job 0760 says check timing (diesels only) every 30,000 miles.

[Stretch]

Originally Posted by vstech

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Thanks for renaming the thread John - I was being a bit sneaky - but thought it would be a good way to introduce and announce the data that wasn't apparently available before.

[layback40]

Where is the information that gives the correct dynamic timing for these diesel motors?
We have the static timing info. The dynamic info will be different.
My VM diesel jeep has a sensor on it that gives a signal when the injector injects. it is just like the injectors on 61X & 60x motors. It could be used for dynamic timing but what is the correct timing by dynamic testing?

[Stretch]

Originally Posted by layback40

Where is the information that gives the correct dynamic timing for these diesel motors?
We have the static timing info. The dynamic info will be different.
My VM diesel jeep has a sensor on it that gives a signal when the injector injects. it is just like the injectors on 61X & 60x motors. It could be used for dynamic timing but what is the correct timing by dynamic testing?

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Good eh?

[layback40]

Originally Posted by Stretch

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Good eh?

Care to translate.
If its dynamic timing data then all is good.
A smart guy like you should be able to put an inductive pick up on the side of an injector & get a signal when it pops. Or find a good #1 injector out of a VM TD. they used them in lots of cars over your way.

[Stretch]

Originally Posted by layback40

Care to translate.
If its dynamic timing data then all is good.
A smart guy like you should be able to put an inductive pick up on the side of an injector & get a signal when it pops. Or find a good #1 injector out of a VM TD. they used them in lots of cars over your way.

Sorry I forget where I am sometimes...

Loose translation

Heading for second column from left is Motor RPM

Heading for third column from left is Engine oil temperature in degrees C

Heading for the column on the right shows the degrees of crank rotation delivery should happen BEFORE TDC

prüfwert is the test value

einstellwert is the setting value

[Stretch]

Would it help if I draw out an English translation?