Moab Utah Trip Pics - Page 3 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

G-Man · #31 10-17-2002, 04:53 PM

Well, we had four inches of snow here this morning and I was driving the new G with ETS. I don't find the system to be very fluid, actually it operates rather abruptly. I hope the + version is better. I also found that it takes quite a bit of wheelspin to engage it. From experience on the trails I have run, this amount of wheelspin would get you in really BIG trouble.

So, here we go again. I have now personally experienced this vaunted traction control system. I have also used lockers extensively. No matter what the printed prose says, there is no comparison. Like George mentioned, and I have said until I am blue in the face, you really have to experience it to realize the vast differences.:p

G-Man · #32 10-17-2002, 05:45 PM

"With ETS you get this same net effect. Refer to mbusi.com Mclass tab and the 4 wheel drive tab under that "

Sales literature, need I say anymore about that?

Have you ever been off-road in a vehicle with lockers?

"What is the hidden item" IT IS NOT THE SAME. Could have sworn I have said that before

I'll tell you what Tracy. I will PROVE to you that ETS will not perform as well as lockers. I will take the time to remove my wifes running boards so I can run it on my G/Mog test track. I will make digital video of the truck trying to make it with ETS and then I will engage the lockers, which defeat ETS and show you how it is done.

Please bear with me though. The snow needs to melt, which it will soon. The grass covered in wet snow makes it too slippery for either system.

Will that satisfy you?

Lebenz · #33 10-17-2002, 09:28 PM

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Originally posted by DUTCH

Or could it be because you really don't have a clue about what you speak.

We have a saying around here. If I want to go to Los Angeles from Atlanta, I can buy a map and a vehicle and I can read and study all about how to get to LA in that vehicle; but until I get in the vehicle and drive it to LA, I'll never get to LA. Fits here.

You really need to get in a vehicle with lockers, try them and see what they can do in sticky situations. Until you do, you'll never know how they work or what they can do. Your book learning can't show you either. You are making a good decision to not pursue this any further. Your credibility suffers the further you carry it. Best to drop it where you did.

Yawn

George Gamarci · #34 10-17-2002, 09:53 PM

Tracy,

I realize you don't want to discuss this any further, but I just finished reading your ETS+ link and there is something else I need to mention.

I forgot that MB has started using Automatic Downhill Brake Control on the ML. If you actually decide to start four wheeling your ML someday, you need to be warned of some of the dangers with this system.

By applying the brakes during a difficult descent, the system can cause your vehicle to slide and rollover, especially in slippery and off camber situations.

Also avoid using this feature on very long descents as it can overheat the brakes and cause them to fail.

George Gamarci
2002 G500 - Midnight Blue / Charcoal

Gilly · #35 10-18-2002, 07:03 AM

It's getting to the point where this thread would serve the same purpose if I attached the last post to the first post and leave it like a thread "loop", just keeps going around and around.
I can appreciate everyones personal opinion. By now it should dawn on everyone that a Gclass is not an Mclass, and a Mclass is not a Gclass. Move on.

Gilly

G-Man · #36 10-18-2002, 08:49 AM

As posted by LeBenz;

"How do you become the lone source of the “truth”"

EASY!

\Ex"pert\, n. 1. An expert or experienced person; one instructed by experience; one who has skill, experience, or extensive knowledge in his calling or in any special branch of learning.

You have several people here with copious experience. DUTCH has been running around off-road in his G's for 18 years. His German friend owns two G's and uses them extensively in both the alps and the Sahara desert. Harold P. is obviously of expert caliber and is very clear in his opinion on this subject. I have been plying off-road trails for over a decade in a variety of vehicles, the last four years in G-Wagens.

I would think that all of this practical experience would count for something? If nothing else I think it puts the whole discussion in perspective. The ML camp relies on rehtorical evidence, the G camp on practical experience.:p

BTW, I am hardly the "lone source" on this subject. There have been half a dozen G contributors on this subject, between the two discussions. All have had hands on experience. You are still basing your argument on books. The prosecution rests

George Gamarci · #37 10-18-2002, 09:48 AM

I agree that we should move on. Nevertheless, I hope my last post regarding Automatic Downhill Brake Control is not overlooked.

The dangers of hill descent control systems are very real.

George Gamarci
2002 G500 - Midnight Blue / Charcoal

[QUOTE]

Move on.

Lebenz · #38 10-18-2002, 12:04 PM

Thanks, all for the contributions!

Kuan · #39 10-19-2002, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by George Gamarci

I forgot that MB has started using Automatic Downhill Brake Control on the ML. If you actually decide to start four wheeling your ML someday, you need to be warned of some of the dangers with this system.

By applying the brakes during a difficult descent, the system can cause your vehicle to slide and rollover, especially in slippery and off camber situations.

4ETS+ has been around since MY01, but that aside, I gotta say that any vehicle can be made to rollover given sufficiently slippery and off camber conditions.

4ETS+, ABS, ESP, all of these are active safety features designed to keep the vehicle stable in case of emergency.

Kuan

Kuan · #40 10-19-2002, 08:35 AM

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Originally posted by gillybenztech
Move on.

Gilly

Yeah, everyone have some popcorn

Kuan

Gilly · #41 10-19-2002, 07:50 PM

PopSecret brand popcorn, that is!

Gilly

Diesel-Lover · #42 10-30-2002, 11:59 PM

I gotta tell ya all, we did all those trails in a lift equiped but not too great tires (student budgets) circa late 60s early 70s blazer the kind where the top comes off and it becomes a converta truck. It was big and wide and sitting tall, we spun a lot of rubber it was a 4x4 caint recall the details but heck we tooled around them parts of UT real good. Yep we also did the stairway the fin etc. Do love them pics, we also saw some exh parts, pans etc along the way.

Golley I'd love a Gwagen for roughing it but I think I'll just wait and get the VW diesel toureg (sp?) with lockers and ets+ atleast it will give good mpg if not the tough ride of the G! Some folks drink theirs shaken straight.

Id love to see one of those 6wheel jobs with joy stick steering and articulated body on that trail! By the way yall did not get into the body on frame and unibody debate! Hey gang chill out, its great to be passionate but there is a fine line where it could be construed as SandM eh.

Happy trails G-peopele, M-people and the rest of us common folks! Keep those pics coming, show us the other folks on the trail as well (with their mounts) eh. We is all right so shake hand and get on with the planning for the next round-up. Dont worry be happy.

G-Man · #43 10-31-2002, 09:13 AM

We didn't debate that(unibody) since both the ML and the G are body on frame.

I didn't take any pics of the other vehicles on the trail because we only saw one other.

Thanks for the input though