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#**196** 11-23-2004, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by KirkVining

Webwrench is just touchy about it.

oooOOOooo...

I'll tell you what scares me... some governmental organization called the TSA put into place some new rules regarding 'alien flight training'

requiring flight instructors to inspect citizenship/greencard/work permit/visa documents, get students fingerprinted, acquire background checks on prospective flight students, with a penalty of certificate revocation if not complied with, Then the TSA didn't even bother to communicate this to the FAA or any major pilot organizations, leaving a lot of peoples' livelihoods flapping in the wind. I was lucky, although two of my students are 'aliens' here on visas, they're grandfathered in. I just learned about the regs this past weekend, over a month after they went into effect

No interagency coordination; unilateral rulemaking going into effect with no public inspection first; bizarre infringements of privacy being slipped into spending bills... I am getting scared now.

mikemover · #**197** 11-23-2004, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by KirkVining

You are about as neo-con as they come. The only one who thinks you are a libertarian is you, in fact, you have no problem if the Iraq war is actually about oil and making Iraq safe for oil companies do you?

I posted this sarcastic little rant on another thread, to hopefully enlighten Z concerning my positions, but I'll copy it here, for your benefit:

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Originally Posted by Zeitgeist
...you can run, but you cannot hide Mikey. I'm on to you.

Yes! That's it! I'm so Republican, I can't stand it! I love the war on drugs! I love the anti-abortionists! I love that my government decides who can be married and who cannot! I love the prayer-in-school/10 Commandment crowd! I love the legitimization of illegal immigrants! I love the public school system and "no child left behind"! I love perscription drug entitlements! I love keeping Social Security on "life support" for another 25 years! I love the Patriot Act--I have "nothing to hide, after all"! I love that our government is growning like Kudzu! And most of all, I love PAYING for all of this! Three cheers for the IRS! I also love......

Oh........ ....Wait a second....

You almost had me believing it there for a second, Z.

I'm glad I woke up from THAT bad dream!

The ONLY issue that I am aware of on which I diverge from the stated platforms of the Libertarian party is on the Iraq/pre-emptive strike issue.

Otherwise, my convictions are right on course, just like a "good little Libertarian" should be.

I say all of this as if I am somehow required to defend my "Libertarianism" against your attacks. This is certainly not the case. My convictions do not hinge upon your approval.

Mike

dolebludger · #**198** 11-23-2004, 02:46 AM

VollkommenWar:

Please note my spellings of "Babptists" and "Nazerines" in my posts above. I legitimately can't spell well at all, and it is not typographical error. I can't spell, period. I'm new to this board, so I hope everyone will understand this, and after over 60 years of life, it isn't going to improve. I have sent a PM to webwench expressing my regret at what was , on the surface, an insult, but was entirely unententional. I participate on the MBCA, Honda S 2000, and several Cruise boards. My spelling is horrible there too. But I never "call names" but only adress issues. I almost flunked out of grade school for bad spelling. Slid through high school, college, and law school where it didn't matter. Had a secretary all of my career. Never had a keyboard on my desk.And now I'm retired and guess what? They took away my secretarey. I wish they'd bring her back.

Thanks,

Richard

dolebludger · #**199** 11-23-2004, 02:49 AM

Mikemover:

Out of curiousity, what is the position of the Libertarians on the Iraq/pre-emptive strike issue?

Thanks,
Richard

mikemover · #**200** 11-23-2004, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dolebludger

Mikemover:

Out of curiousity, what is the position of the Libertarians on the Iraq/pre-emptive strike issue?

Thanks,
Richard

The "official" party stance is non-intervention. The party disapproves of our presence in Iraq, and is against the concept of pre-emption in general.

www.lp.org for more details.

This has been the source of much tension in the Libertarian party in recent months, between those who blindly "toe the party line", and those of us who actually DO think independently, as every Libertarian SHOULD.

Mike

VollkommenWar · #**201** 11-23-2004, 03:17 AM

Richard, no worries mate. You are doing just fine.

KirkVining · #**202** 11-23-2004, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by mikemover

The "official" party stance is non-intervention. The party disapproves of our presence in Iraq, and is against the concept of pre-emption in general.

www.lp.org for more details.

This has been the source of much tension in the Libertarian party in recent months, between those who blindly "toe the party line", and those of us who actually DO think independently, as every Libertarian SHOULD.

Mike

It's always tough for a libertarian to reconcile supporting corporate rights over individual rights.

Botnst · #**203** 11-23-2004, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dolebludger

Botnst:

Jimmy Carter was a Baptist.A real one, who actually went to church. Love him or hate him politically, he did not mislead on his religious affiliation. If you voted, you knew what to expect from him when an issue touching religion came up. And he did not disspoint in this respect. I am not a Baptist, but I am a Druid. Yet, I can recoginze that Carter stood for everything that is RIGHT with Baptist theology. Otherwise, on pure political matters, love him or hate him. That's OK. But as to his religious affiliation, he told us the pue truth during the camaping. Gee, I wish all candidates would do the same.

Thanks,
Richard

Richard, I admire your telepathic ability. Must come of nature worship. I'm a hickory and Ceiba guy, myself. Hey, you guys still wrap trees with guts of victims? Quaint little custom, that. Keep me informed.

B

GermanStar · #**204** 11-23-2004, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by webwench

If there is no liberal bias in major media, what explains ABC's mysterious eagerness to run suspicious documents acquired by shady means, presenting as genuine what most document experts called obvious forgeries?

Andy Rooney said that the folks he knew in the media were evenly split -- half were for Kerry and half were against Bush.

mikemover · #**205** 11-23-2004, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by KirkVining

It's always tough for a libertarian to reconcile supporting corporate rights over individual rights.

Yes, if it were just a "war for oil", that would be a tough quandry. Fortunately, that's not the case.

:p

Mike

Zeitgeist · #**206** 11-23-2004, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by mikemover

I posted this sarcastic little rant on another thread, to hopefully enlighten Z concerning my positions, but I'll copy it here, for your benefit:

I say all of this as if I am somehow required to defend my "Libertarianism" against your attacks. This is certainly not the case. My convictions do not hinge upon your approval.

Mike

...I'm hardly attacking you Mike, but I will continue to ask that you defend your peculiar take on libertarianism (small L), which I find to be highly selective and arbitrary. Hegemonic Imperialism, expanding the scope and reach of the Federal government, and codifying descrimination into a constitution are all directly at odds with every interpretation of the libertarian movement, on the Right or Left. You endanger your libertarian 'cred' by openly supporting an administration that advances all these abominations, all the while running up massive deficits, AND promoting the further integration of religion and politics. You're entitled to your convictions Mike, no one questions that, but a little truth in advertising goes a long way...

shane · #**207** 11-23-2004, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by GermanStar

Andy Rooney said that the folks he knew in the media were evenly split -- half were for Kerry and half were against Bush.

If Andy Rooney thinks its 50-50 then to anyone with more open eyes it would probably be significantly higer pro Kerry in reality.

mikemover · #**208** 11-23-2004, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeitgeist

...I'm hardly attacking you Mike, but I will continue to ask that you defend your peculiar take on libertarianism (small L), which I find to be highly selective and arbitrary. Hegemonic Imperialism, expanding the scope and reach of the Federal government, and codifying descrimination into a constitution are all directly at odds with every interpretation of the libertarian movement, on the Right or Left. You endanger your libertarian 'cred' by openly supporting an administration that advances all these abominations, all the while running up massive deficits, AND promoting the further integration of religion and politics. You're entitled to your convictions Mike, no one questions that, but a little truth in advertising goes a long way...

How many times must I repeat myself?

How am I being "selective and arbitrary" about it? I support EVERYTHING that the libertarian party stands for, EXCEPT for their position on non-intervention/non-pre-emption. If disagreeing with ONE item constitutes "selective and arbitrary", then I guess I'm guilty as charged.

I do not "support" the current administration on ANY significant issue, EXCEPT the most important one facing us right now: Terrorism and the Middle East situation. If it weren't for that pesky little problem, I'd MUCH, MUCH rather have a Libertarian in office.

But the Middle East concern trumps all other concerns right now. If we don't work to solve THIS problem, then all the other issues will not matter.

Mike

Zeitgeist · #**209** 11-23-2004, 11:57 AM

Ok, we've established your guilt, so your punishment should be to vociferously denounce all the anti-libertarian policies of the administration you voted for--right?

Botnst · #**210** 11-23-2004, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by webwench

oooOOOooo...

...No interagency coordination; unilateral rulemaking going into effect with no public inspection first; bizarre infringements of privacy being slipped into spending bills... I am getting scared now.

Ever read, "The Trial"?