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kamil 03-21-2005 11:34 PM

This was hanging at my University...
 
I am a bit puzzled and thought that things like this were illegal. I attend Rutgers University in N.J. which is the No 1 diverse school in the nation.

So I am walking to one of my classes and this big bed sheet is hanging in the hall with spray paint on it. I guess this was referring to the student government ?

I don't really care about this but I thought it was somewhat interesting. Can anybody comment on the legality of this ? I am sure by now this is no longer hanging since it seemed little offensive.

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H2O2 03-21-2005 11:42 PM

Offensive to whom?

kamil 03-21-2005 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by H2O2
Offensive to whom?

I don't really know.... that is why I am asking the question.

CzarFC 03-21-2005 11:48 PM

Not to stir a pot or anything, but it looks like whoever wrote it was so pissed off they forgot how to spell "whites" and had to go back and squeeze in the "t".

If they want to get in the moment about it, it would be interesting to see how many people ran for the positions. If there were few minority candidates, and they were proportionatly elected then playing the race card loses some legitimacy.

H2O2 03-21-2005 11:51 PM

I find the indiscriminate use of both capitals and lower case letters offensive, and I don't particularly like their choice of right justified text, but I'll defend their right to spraypaint visually offensive banners to the death.

luvrpgrl 03-22-2005 12:18 AM

what would be illegal about it?

Isnt the student govt elected?

I never hear Gloria Allred asking it be required that half the roofers, trench diggers, plumbers or framers be female. Guess those jobs are glorious enough.
Lying, hypocritical scumbag *****. :o

Honus 03-22-2005 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kamil
I am a bit puzzled and thought that things like this were illegal....

Why would it be illegal?

djugurba 03-22-2005 12:55 AM

You'd better hope it's not illegal. I don't want to live anywhere you are prohibited from posting/knowing the composition of your own elected body of governance.

I'm sick of the practice of considering only skin color or geographic heritage as diversity.

MTI 03-22-2005 01:04 AM

If it's true, why would it be illegal? Poor taste maybe, but illegal?

schwarzwagen 03-22-2005 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CzarFC
Not to stir a pot or anything, but it looks like whoever wrote it was so pissed off they forgot how to spell "whites" and had to go back and squeeze in the "t".

yup, idiots that cant spell.

boneheaddoctor 03-22-2005 08:51 AM

My guess it was a liberal that hates whites who do happen to be the majority.

boneheaddoctor 03-22-2005 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by narwhal
The message may not be illegal ( and shouldn't be) but the manner in which it was presented probably was. Comon, you can't obstruct the freaking hallway like that.

My guess is that the culprit was a latino :rolleyes:

THe Upside down question mark leading the sentance is a giveaway of that.....

Honus 03-22-2005 11:50 AM

I am curious about why Kamil thought the sign might be illegal. I often hear of school administrators and other authority figures misunderstanding the First Amendment, so I wonder whether there were any policies at Rutgers that give students the impression that this type of speech is not permitted. A similar issue comes up in the context of prayer in school and I think there are some school administrators who do not know that students are, and always have been, permitted to pray in school.

boneheaddoctor 03-22-2005 11:52 AM

I wonder how long that would be up there if it was argueing the discriminatory affirmative action that keeps better qualified whites out of schools in deference to quotas...instead if academic achievement. Bet it would have been torn down and the Jack boot thugs interrogating the students to find out who had the nerve to question the policy of discrimination against non-minorities in the higher education system.

Rant over....

But funny how some people tend to be more equal than others in the Universities.............

H2O2 03-22-2005 11:57 AM

...ah, the vaunted champion of the beleaguered white man rides in on his trusty steed! Hey, I've seen that image on a poster somewhere...hmmm, let me think.

boneheaddoctor 03-22-2005 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by narwhal
:rolleyes:

Hence the "duh" rolleyes thing, Bone.

Lot of people not familiar with Spanish sentance structure would not be aware of that................

dmorrison 03-22-2005 12:09 PM

What strikes me as interesting is the misspelled word , “whie“. And this at a major University. Maybe they should spend more time on grammar and less on “whining”.

Dave

boneheaddoctor 03-22-2005 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dmorrison
What strikes me as interesting is the misspelled word , “whie“. And this at a major University. Maybe they should spend more time on grammar and less on “whining”.

Dave

Afirmative action in work.....think about the high scoring SAT people who got passed over to let this mental giant into the school....to spray paint and hang that up.

Honus 03-22-2005 03:50 PM

Geez, Somebody leaves a "t" out of "white" and that proves that he/she is less qualified than applicants who didn't get admitted to Rutgers? I make that type of mistake on a daily basis, and I did pretty well in college. For some reason, I have a habit of writing "there" when I really mean "their." Just one of those silly things.

And another thing, are you sure they didn't mean for the "t" to look that way?

MTI 03-22-2005 03:58 PM

What if it was put there by the Dean of the Colleges of Arts & Sciences? :eek:

boneheaddoctor 03-22-2005 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin
Geez, Somebody leaves a "t" out of "white" and that proves that he/she is less qualified than applicants who didn't get admitted to Rutgers? I make that type of mistake on a daily basis, and I did pretty well in college. For some reason, I have a habit of writing "there" when I really mean "their." Just one of those silly things.

And another thing, are you sure they didn't mean for the "t" to look that way?

It wasn't somebody from Nebraska...........

Its the Spanish speakers who start a question with an upside down question mark...most people don't know that..........and a white supremicy group isn't going to be whinning that Minorities aren't over represented....

I doubt the mental giant who wrote that got into the college based on his or her test scores.

But hey...most of my best friends aren't caucaison.

MTI 03-22-2005 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor
But hey...most of my best friends aren't [sic] caucaison.

I'm almost afraid to ask . . . they are human, right? :rolleyes:

boneheaddoctor 03-22-2005 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI
I'm almost afraid to ask . . . they are human, right? :rolleyes:

My best friends are legal Bolivian Immigrants........nicest people I have met.

Larry Delor 03-22-2005 04:14 PM

I am reminded of the sit-com Family Ties, in which somebody's residence gets vandalized, and spray painted on the walls is written: "Whits only!"

(must have been written by nit-whits :D)

boneheaddoctor 03-22-2005 04:16 PM

Yes...I doubt its a member of Mensa that did it....

G-Benz 03-22-2005 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Delor
I am reminded of the sit-com Family Ties, in which somebody's residence gets vandalized, and spray painted on the walls is written: "Whits only!"

(must have been written by nit-whits :D)

There was a real-life incident where a black woman, while trying to get out of a lease agreement, decided to spray paint the wall of her duplex with hate graffiti to appear as if her she was being coerced to leave.

After some investigation, the graffiti eventually was traced to her. The kicker here, is that she scrawled the words "Niger Go Home"...what? some geography major gang members were threatening her life? :P

mplafleur 03-22-2005 06:32 PM

Let's see... I've got friends that are mediterranian, south american, austrailian, polish, middle eastern, african, caribbean, asian, central american, Indian, Russian, Philipino, and I'm french-dutch.

What's a white?

kknudson 03-22-2005 06:52 PM

I don't care if it is legal or not, I want someone to explain how someone got into college, and can't speel :-}

boneheaddoctor 03-22-2005 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kknudson
I don't care if it is legal or not, I want someone to explain how someone got into college, and can't speel :-}

Afirmative action......quotas are more important than education these days.

G-Benz 03-22-2005 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor
Afirmative action......quotas are more important than education these days.

Too easy of a target...(and it's affirmative).

The education system pushes a lot of ill-prepared youth through the system. The elite of the bunch get into the top schools...the rest of the pool go elsewhere, and many of those, though qualified, fall short of some skills...spelling notwithstanding.

As far as spelling is concerned...just look at the postings on this forum (and others)...spelling and grammatical errors everywhere! And we learned the correct approach in grammar school for Pete's sake!

I see the same on e-mails and circulated documents...and this from a seemingly educated lot!

If we can't get it right, why should we expect other non-native cultures to do so? :confused:

boneheaddoctor 03-22-2005 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by G-Benz
Too easy of a target...(and it's affirmative).

The education system pushes a lot of ill-prepared youth through the system. The elite of the bunch get into the top schools...the rest of the pool go elsewhere, and many of those, though qualified, fall short of some skills...spelling notwithstanding.

As far as spelling is concerned...just look at the postings on this forum (and others)...spelling and grammatical errors everywhere! And we learned the correct approach in grammar school for Pete's sake!

I see the same on e-mails and circulated documents...and this from a seemingly educated lot!

If we can't get it right, why should we expect other non-native cultures to do so? :confused:

My point was thanks to afirmative action quotas the best and brightest aren't the ones getting the slots in the colleges and Universities these days.......

But you are correct....the liberal teachers are doing a pathetic job at educating students these days...and yes many are unprepaired.

AustinsCE 03-22-2005 07:26 PM

I'm white, but I was thinking of getting a tan this year....
And stupidity isn't illegal, but I keep writing my senators about it.
Claiming "racial discrimination" is just something losers do to get attention and usually money.

AustinsCE 03-22-2005 07:27 PM

And I still want to know where "latin" is, i cant find it on any map....

H2O2 03-22-2005 07:32 PM

...ya, they passed a couple of laws, thus ending all semblances of racial discrimination--end of story.

Remember when they passed some laws and ended hunger and want with that whole war on poverty thing? Remember when we used to have a drug problem, prior to those get tough laws, and the successful war on drugs?

Wow, there oughtta be a law...

boneheaddoctor 03-22-2005 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinsCE
I'm white, but I was thinking of getting a tan this year....
And stupidity isn't illegal, but I keep writing my senators about it.
Claiming "racial discrimination" is just something losers do to get attention and usually money.

Squeaky wheel gets the grease...thats why affermative action is still around....its sanctioned racial discrimination.

AustinsCE 03-22-2005 07:39 PM

Cant find Moulon Rogue on the map neither

MTI 03-22-2005 07:41 PM

There are some citizens have have a 385 year history on this continent, 245 involving slavery, 100 involving legalized discrimination, and only 40 since the passage of the 1965 Civil Rights Act. Affirmative action has progressed as well, going from a "quota" system to the most recent Supreme Court decision that race is merely a single factor of many qualifications. We are advancing, but the idea that caucasians are getting ripped off as a result is simply ignorant.

AustinsCE 03-22-2005 07:47 PM

Its equally ignorant to say that 90 % of the mechanics at my Ford dealership aren't... Latino? Racial discrimination is being done to everyobody its nothing a law can solve. As far as I'm concerned if you dont want someone working with/for you for any reason, you should be able to tell them to go to hell. If some people spent as much time looking for jobs, opportunities and hobbies as they do *****ing, there wouldn't be this kind of problem.

boneheaddoctor 03-22-2005 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTI
There are some citizens have have a 385 year history on this continent, 245 involving slavery, 100 involving legalized discrimination, and only 40 since the passage of the 1965 Civil Rights Act. Affirmative action has progressed as well, going from a "quota" system to the most recent Supreme Court decision that race is merely a single factor of many qualifications. We are advancing, but the idea that caucasians are getting ripped off as a result is simply ignorant.

When a caucasion who scores 1350 on the SAT gets turned away from a college so a minority who scores 900 can get in thats racial discrimination......

and even a liberal can't twist that into something else. Nobody alive was a slave here...........everyone had a education ....none of MY relatives were even on this continant 80 years ago..and had nothing to do with it..so thats a real weak arguement only a liberal can even see merit in. Everyone entering colege today was born AFTER the civil rights amendment...NONE of them had the issue previous generation might have had.

now if both people had the same scores....then flip a coin.......otherwise it should be purely on merit. And colorblind.

MTI 03-22-2005 08:14 PM

Last time I checked, which would have been a couple years ago, college admissions are not based on that bastion of equality, the Scholastic Apptitude Test. Talk about a test designed to close the doors to higher education for the new majority of the population. Modern day applications also scrutinize family background, extra curricular activities and community involvement. More than 300 schools, most of them small, private institutions, have dropped SAT scores from entry requirements.

When there's a fair educational system for black, hispanic, native American and other sections of the children in the country, then we can talk about getting rid of affirmative action. The problem we have is an unfair education system in America.

When "Lincoln freed the slaves" what did it really accomplish without society finally changing over these past years? Yes, this is the post-Civil Rights Amendment generation, and look what a difference it's made. One day, hopefully soon, affirmative action will be obsolete.

boneheaddoctor 03-22-2005 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTI
Last time I checked, which would have been a couple years ago, college admissions are not based on that bastion of equality, the Scholastic Apptitude Test. Talk about a test designed to close the doors to higher education for the new majority of the population. Modern day applications also scrutinize family background, extra curricular activities and community involvement. More than 300 schools, most of them small, private institutions, have dropped SAT scores from entry requirements.

When there's a fair educational system for black, hispanic, native American and other sections of the children in the country, then we can talk about getting rid of affirmative action. The problem we have is an unfair education system in America.

When "Lincoln freed the slaves" what did it really accomplish without society finally changing over these past years? Yes, this is the post-Civil Rights Amendment generation, and look what a difference it's made. One day, hopefully soon, affirmative action will be obsolete.

Same bunch of liberals dreaming up new ways to keep the old quotas....

Personally if you are acepted or not should be purely based upon test scores...screw with people today and they are going to remember it.....

Any afirmative action pushes a lot of people to push back becasue they were screwed....why should someone who was kept out of college to make way for a minority give those minorities a break when hiring time comes around....becasue they had the advantage he was denied.

Basicly Afirmative action causes many of the problems they are claiming it solves...along with alienating another generation.


Racism is still the same thing no matter how you dress it up. or what you call it. Its ugly.......

MTI 03-22-2005 08:35 PM

Here's the poster boy for "affirmative action."
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/bus...4.bush.pic.jpg

George W. Bush should be asking himself, "Wait a minute. How did I get into Yale?"

It wasn't because of any academic achievement, his high school record was ordinary. It wasn't because of his life experience--prosperous family, fancy prep school, pretty standard for a future Yalie. It wasn't his SAT scores: 566 verbal and 640 math.

Bush clearly got in because of affirmative action. Affirmative action for the son and grandson of alumni. Affirmative action for a member of a politically influential family. Affirmative action for a boy from a fancy prep school. These forms of affirmative action still go on. Score another loss for "the best and brightest."

Compare racial favoritism with institutionalized favoritism based on social class or as specific as your high school, favoritism limited to recruitment and preparation, and so on. Opponents and supporters of affirmative action actually tend to agree that there is something bad, generally called quotas, and something good, generally called something like diversity.

boneheaddoctor 03-22-2005 08:40 PM

Why don't you just tell us what you think.....racism is fair...you want communism and Hillary Clinton is god.... :pukeface:

Why hold back....its clear you haven't come to terms with the fact your guy lost the election.........

H2O2 03-22-2005 08:48 PM

Masterful debating skills...kudos to you sir! Boy, combining Hillary AND communism was a stroke of shear genius--genius I tells ya!

Plantman 03-22-2005 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor
My guess it was a liberal that hates whites who do happen to be the majority.


Are you going to move to Canada when there are more hispanics and minorities than Anglos?

Look around, at some point whites will be minorities. Let go and embrace it. :)

boneheaddoctor 03-22-2005 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plantman
Are you going to move to Canada when there are more hispanics and minorities than Anglos?

Look around, at some point whites will be minorities. Let go and embrace it. :)

I get along with the minorities, don't have problems with them, like I mentioned somewhere my best friends are Bolivian.......I just detest preferential treatment doled out based on race....

boneheaddoctor 03-22-2005 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by H2O2
Masterful debating skills...kudos to you sir! Boy, combining Hillary AND communism was a stroke of shear genius--genius I tells ya!

Hey...it ain't easy.....but I pulled it off.... :D :D :D :D

MTI 03-22-2005 09:18 PM

BHD, what about all the "best and the brightest" that you were so hot to defend getting into college? Seems to me that the CINC believes affirmative action is just dandy. Sec. of State Rice also acknowledged that she was the beneficiary of affirmative action when she was a grad student at Stanford and her subsequent appointment as deputy provost of Stanford included consideration that she was black, female and young, according to then Stanford President Gerhard Casper. Gee, it seems the world is just so unfair.

Then there's the classic affirmative action story of former Sec of State, Colin Powell. President Carter's Secretary of the Army Clifford Alexander, when originally sent an all-white list of candidates for the position for brigadier general, Alexander rejected it, demanding a list that included some blacks. From the revised list, Alexander chose Powell.

One reason Powell wasn't on the original list is that he was, at 42, below the age normally considered eligible for promotion to brigadier general. An exception was made in order to give Secretary Alexander a black as he had requested.

boneheaddoctor 03-22-2005 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI
BHD, what about all the "best and the brightest" that you were so hot to defend getting into college? Seems to me that the CINC believes affirmative action is just dandy. Sec. of State Rice also acknowledged that she was the beneficiary of affirmative action when she was a grad student at Stanford and her subsequent appointment as deputy provost of Stanford included consideration that she was black, female and young, according to then Stanford President Gerhard Casper. Gee, it seems the world is just so unfair.

The Democrats were against racial parity 60 years ago....and they still clearly are against it now.

AustinsCE 03-22-2005 09:33 PM

So, MTI, you just said it. Apparently affirmative action has done its job. Lets get rid of it now...If you wait long enough people argue against themselves. :P :D


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