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GermanStar · #**211** 12-16-2005, 10:27 PM

Has the term "personal responsibility" lost all meaning?

boneheaddoctor · #**212** 12-16-2005, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GermanStar

Has the term "personal responsibility" lost all meaning?

Its a forbiden word and concept to the followers of the PC movement.

mikemover · #**213** 12-16-2005, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GermanStar

Has the term "personal responsibility" lost all meaning?

Long ago. Where have you been?

Mike

Honus · #**214** 12-16-2005, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mikemover

...Did a McDonald's employee spill it on her? No. This leaves only one option: Dumba$$ spilled it on herself...

No s**t, Sherlock. That is why it was a difficult case. It's amazing that people who weren't even in the courtroom think they know the evidence better than the people on the jury.

Maybe this was a bad verdict. I don't know, and neither do you. One thing was clear: McDonalds acted recklessly. They made a callous business decision knowing that they were causing people to suffer third degree burns.

Honus · #**215** 12-16-2005, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GermanStar

Has the term "personal responsibility" lost all meaning?

Apparently in mikemover's world, it has. In his world, companies can do things that they know to an absolute certainty will cause third degree burns, but they have no personal responsibility for their dangerous conduct because only dumba$$e$ will get hurt.

Botnst · #**216** 12-16-2005, 11:00 PM

What kind of DMF can't tell whether hot water will scald? Must we have a label that says, "This is hot. If it touches your private parts it will poach them"?

Yeah, companies that intentionally produce products that they know will cause serious injury need to be punished in court. But some dang foo' doesn't know when they buy hot coffee that it is hot? Kids don't buy coffee, adults buy coffee. It can't have been her first time to encounter a cup of coffee. Did she think that it wouldn't be hot? Give me a break.

And what about Rush Limbaugh? Maybe he'll burn his private parts and sue.

B

Honus · #**217** 12-16-2005, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

What kind of DMF can't tell whether hot water will scald? Must we have a label that says, "This is hot. If it touches your private parts it will poach them"?

I stand to be corrected on this, but I don't think that was the issue in the case. That would be like saying it's OK for manufacturers of industrial equipment to delete all safety guards because only a DMF would put his hand where it will get chopped off, crushed, etc. McDonalds knew that its customers were human beings. Human beings, except mikemover, do dumb things. If McDonalds had some good reason for their coffee to be so extremely hot, then perhaps they could have justified injuring people who foolishly spill coffee on themselves.

Substituting your judgment of the case for the judgment of the people who actually heard the evidence doesn't seem smart to me.

#**218** 12-16-2005, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mikemover

If it doesn't interfere with one's job, family, etc... and one doesn't operate a motor vehicle, etc. while under such influence.... Then it IS fine (stupid legal consequences notwithstanding). Who are you to tell someone that it's not?

Mike

I'm just a dumba**.

The lingering effects of THC last much longer than alcohol. So the joint someone smokes at night can affect them the next day. THC builds up in the human body. It binds to fat molecules. It can cause a positive urine test for weeks after smoking a single joint. Try that with alcohol.

mikemover · #**219** 12-16-2005, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

Apparently in mikemover's world, it has. In his world, companies can do things that they know to an absolute certainty will cause third degree burns, but they have no personal responsibility for their dangerous conduct because only dumba$$e$ will get hurt.

The company did not do anything that caused burns. The conduct that caused the injury was not the selling of the coffee. Nor was it the temperature at which the coffee was brewed at. The hot coffee could have done NO harm at all, if not spilled by the customer. The cause of the injury was the spillage. The spillage was caused by the CUSTOMER.

This is the same kind of thinking that leads people to sue gun manufacturers because some moron shot someone, or themselves, with one of their guns, and other such nonsense.

Should you sue a car battery manufacturer if you spill the acid on you, and it burns your skin? No?... Why not?... They KNEW the acid was caustic, did they not?....

Should you sue the gas company if you leave your stove running, and then you light a cigarette and blow yourself up? No?... Why not?... The gas company KNEW the gas they were providing was flammable and explosive, didn't they?

I don't care if that coffee was 1 million degrees. If you don't SPILL IT ON YOUR F***ING CROTCH, it won't burn your crotch!

If we are going to start holding manufacturers and businesses responsible for every misuse, abuse, or mishandling of their products, by every single moron walking around out there, things are going to get even more ridiculous than they already are.....

I personally do NOT want to live in such an idiot-proofed world. We have already gone too far in that direction.

Mike

mikemover · #**220** 12-16-2005, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by John Holmes III

I'm just a dumba**.

The lingering effects of THC last much longer than alcohol. So the joint someone smokes at night can affect them the next day. THC builds up in the human body. It binds to fat molecules. It can cause a positive urine test for weeks after smoking a single joint. Try that with alcohol.

Just because one can theoretically be tested "positive" for a substance in the body does not mean that it is still affecting one's mental or physical abilities. Please tell me you don't think that pot affects one's motor skills and judgement NEARLY as bad as alcohol. They are not even close. Thousands are killed by drunk drivers every year. VERY few people are killed by a merely "stoned" driver. Similarly, pot smokers tend to use much better judgement when "under the influence" than drinkers do, and are less likely to drive when they are not fit, or to do any other equally-stupid thing.... Except maybe overeating.

Don't misunderstand.... I am not a pot-smoker, and have never done ANY drug, ever. I also do not condone drug use of any kind for others. I think it is a waste of time, money, and motivation.

However, that's not the point.

It is not my place to make that decision for others, and it is not your place to make it for them either. And it certainly should not be made by our government.

I have friends and associates who are moderate-to-frequent drinkers. I also have friends and associates who are moderate-to-frequent pot smokers. Given a choice, I had MUCH rather be around the pot smokers. They are INFINITELY more in control of themselves overall, use far better judgement, are less prone to excessive consumption, and are FAR less annoying and obnoxious when "under the influence". They are also not hung over and unbearable the next day, like many drinkers are. I know a LOT of people who have gotten into trouble (legal and otherwise) while under the influence of alcohol. I know of NONE who found similar trouble while just under the influence of pot.

Mike

#**221** 12-16-2005, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mikemover

Just because one can theoretically be tested "positive" for a substance in the body does not mean that it is still affecting one's mental or physical abilities. Please tell me you don't think that pot affects one's motor skills and judgement NEARLY as bad as alcohol. They are not even close. Thousands are killed by drunk drivers every year. VERY few people are killed by a merely "stoned" driver. Similarly, pot smokers tend to use much better judgement when "under the influence" than drinkers do, and are less likely to drive when they are not fit, or to do any other equally-stupid thing.... Except maybe overeating.

Don't misunderstand.... I am not a pot-smoker, and have never done ANY drug, ever. I also do not condone drug use of any kind for others. I think it is a waste of time, money, and motivation.

However, that's not the point.

It is not my place to make that decision for others, and it is not your place to make it for them either. And it certainly should not be made by our government.

I have friends and associates who are moderate-to-frequent drinkers. I also have friends and associates who are moderate-to-frequent pot smokers. Given a choice, I had MUCH rather be around the pot smokers. They are INFINITELY more in control of themselves overall, use far better judgement, are less prone to excessive consumption, and are FAR less annoying and obnoxious when "under the influence". They are also not hung over and unbearable the next day, like many drinkers are. I know a LOT of people who have gotten into trouble (legal and otherwise) while under the influence of alcohol. I know of NONE who found similar trouble while just under the influence of pot.

Mike

You choose to ignore the point of my post. THE AFTEREFFECTS OF THC USE CAN LINGER FOR HOURS/DAYS AFTER SOMEONE STOPS FELLING "HIGH". GET IT? THC BONDS TO FAT MOLECULES IN YOUR BLOOD. EVEN IF YOU DON'T FEEL HIGH. YOUR MENTAL AND PHYSICAL PERFORMANCE IS IMPAIRED.

mikemover · #**222** 12-16-2005, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by John Holmes III

You choose to ignore the point of my post. THE AFTEREFFECTS OF THC USE CAN LINGER FOR HOURS/DAYS AFTER SOMEONE STOPS FELLING "HIGH". GET IT? THC BONDS TO FAT MOLECULES IN YOUR BLOOD. EVEN IF YOU DON'T FEEL HIGH. YOUR MENTAL AND PHYSICAL PERFORMANCE IS IMPAIRED.

Why are you shouting? Are you drinking?

Seriously....

Hell, even your anti-pot buddies know that the effects do NOT last for "days", as you claim.

They can possibly last for UP TO 24 hours, depending on the individual, THC content, tolerance level, and other factors.

http://www.homedrugtestingkit.com/thc.html

Mike

#**223** 12-16-2005, 11:50 PM

A elderly person staying at a hotel/motel with 135deg/f+ hot water. The elderly sometimes are as quick to react as us young folks. Sometimes the elderly have a diminished sense of hot/cold.

That another kind of dumba** that burns themselves.

GermanStar · #**224** 12-16-2005, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by John Holmes III

You choose to ignore the point of my post. THE AFTEREFFECTS OF THC USE CAN LINGER FOR HOURS/DAYS AFTER SOMEONE STOPS FELLING "HIGH". GET IT? THC BONDS TO FAT MOLECULES IN YOUR BLOOD. EVEN IF YOU DON'T FEEL HIGH. YOUR MENTAL AND PHYSICAL PERFORMANCE IS IMPAIRED.

I assume you speak from extensive personal experience, given the extreme emphasis of your post.

mikemover · #**225** 12-16-2005, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by narwhal

I think he was just referring to your understanding of the legal system. We've been through this before.

If this "legal system" is going to continue to remove people from responsibility for their own actions.... stupid, careless, intentional, or otherwise.... then I don't WANT to "understand".

Yes, you and I have been through this before. And we still disagree.

Mike