Evils are occurring from both side in the present. Why do the Muslims murdering bastards murder in the first place? To get even with the Israeli murdering bastards who kill Palestinian children and use Palestinian homes as target practice OR VICE VERSA. Think.....What would cause such a response? If my son was killed, I wouldn't care if the Pope did it. I would want revenge. You better believe that I would be ready to kick ass and I wouldn't care if I lived to died if my whole family was murdered. This is what makes a suicide bomber IMO. The terrorists just give these people the knowledge on how to go about doing what they have already decided on doing. There are sites on the internet that TEACH you how to commit suicide. A person who has already decided on doing it will go and get this knowledge. These sites don't CAUSE people to commit suicides.
I don't say that only Israel is bad or only Palestinians are bad. Policy doesn't matter. Rather, observe what is happening. Its kinda like you slap me and I will slap you back or what came first the chicken or the egg or is the glass half full or half empty. Both sides are equally to blame. Israel is defending itself and Palestine's army/bombers/terrorists etc are its "freedom fighters". It does NO good to place the blame. I wish this forum would come up with ideas (NEUTRAL ONES) on how to stop the violence.
You can't blame the Muslims and you cant blame the Jews. This blaming game has been going on for the last 50-60 years and where has it got them? Nowhere.
Maybe the 2 state solution is not a solution after all. Maybe a 1 state solution is NOT a solution after all. May a NO STATE solution is the best solution. This land belongs to all. Maybe that whole region should be demilitarized and a MULTINATIONAL peace keeping force composed of 100K armed men from all different countries and religion should be present there to maintain the peace. No country or religion would have sole claim to the area. Don't give it to Palestinians and don't give it to Israelis. Don't call it by either name. Rather, call it the "HOLY LAND". If any group tries to make problems then that whole multinational force should go and kick ass without any mercy whether it be Hamas, PLO, or the Israelis. THIS WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE WORLD AND WOULD ALSO BE CHEAPER THAN WHAT ITS COSTING THE WORLD ESPECIALLY THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS. Whoever wants to leave that region be it Israelis or Palestinians, let them come and develop Arizona for us. We have got enough space in USA and kick out all the illegal aliens. What is your idea of a solution that would work with and for both sides that would be fair? Please refrain from a "cowboy mentality" such as "lets drop the bomb", etc. THIS NOT SUPPOSE TO BE A PRO-ISRAELI OR A PRO PALESTINEIAN THREAD. BE FAIR PLEASE THANKS!

I'm no pessimist, but it's another one of those God deals. There's no solution. God gave this land to the Jews – see Old Testament/Moses. The Jews ended that covenant when they killed Jesus and when God established a new Law with the Muslims. In this new one, whenever a land falls under the rule of Islam it forevermore belongs to God/Islam – see Koran. When and if people begin to move beyond what the clergy promotes then maybe mankind can get to a higher level.

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I agree, hence my original post andthe idea of "THE HOLY LAND." Kick all the clergy out and let whoever wants to stay there live in peace and worship all they want so they can be "closer to God"

Bcause there is evil on two (or more...) sides does not mean that evils are equally distributed nor that all evils are equal.

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So its ok to side with the lesser evil? I think I would condemn both. To take the side of a lesser evil would be to condone that lesser evil. EXAMPLE: You would you rape? Your own mother or your girlfriend? NEITHER! Right? BUT if you HAD TO RAPE one wouldn't you rather rape your girlfriend over your mother? It WOULD be a lesser evil, would it not? BUT STILL VERY VERY WRONG. I know that this is an extremely sick example but no sicker than what's going on in the real world over there from BOTH sides.
Whether you like to be on top or bottom, its still in, right?

I would always side with the lesser of two weevils.

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I would condemn both. Evil is evil

I agree that is how you see things.

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You answer your own question by stating that you would seek revenge for a perceived offense. Revenge is an emotional response. Emotionalism rarely intersect with intelligent/prudent conduct. Each side of the scenario you have presented for discussion is emotionally locked to a position the same way you are emotionally bound to revenge.

A civilized society seeks justice where immediate defense/preservation of life is not required by circumstance. Nations collide and have done so throughout recorded history. Human nature will prevent any solution to the ME question where emotionalism and ignorance is present.

There is a better way, but it is usually rejected by virtue of it's source.

It has nothing to do with Israel. What does Israel have to do with Chechnya or Jakarta? Or India? Or Africa? Or any other place where Muslims are trying to establish a theocracy? They just like blowing crap up.

A moment for personal exposure to ridicule:

When I was a kid, I used to blow up/set fire to the various plastic models I had built and in which I had lost interest. I fashioned a flame thrower out of the valve oil used to lubricate the valves on my trumpet (another talent long since abandoned ).
I enjoyed watching the plastic soften and lose it's shape, surrendering to the flame and gravity. The hours of time spent to create such delicate objects and the money spent to purchase and gift them to me, not to mention the ingratitude displayed at their destruction, never occured to me as a shameful waste of resources and potential.

As maturity drove on, I eventually abandoned both the practice of building models and the destruction thereof. Perhaps humanity will someday slip into the same condition.


I'm going on a walk.......

intelligent? Dude...you should seriously consider changing your username.

I don't know what's funnier, Bot. Your joke, or that the dancing banana didn't get it.

EXACTLY! Living in THAT society I too would succumb to emotions just like both sides whether it is a suicide bomber or an Israeli soldier who squeezes that trigger a few more times than he has to hiding behind that uniform.

Why are you masquerading as an objective, even-handed advocate for peace? Can you not be honest in your affection for the Palestinian cause?

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That the Arizona sun may do the same to you...