We are just keeping up with the weeks events.....honestly. Hey what is an ALDA?

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i support spiking of trees.. but not when spiked in the forrest, spike em in the yard waiting to be processed... destroy machinery not lives, i may not burn SUV's but will deflate tires for a demonstration. etc..

So when the bandsaw blade comes off the machine at a zillion miles an hour what does it do to the guy standing next to it drinking his coffee? And don't tell me there's a guard in place, I've been to enough sawmills to know that in many cases there aren't. Not to mention what happens to the guys who work at the mill that now can't because the machine is destroyed. ELF gonna pay their wages?

Perhaps my initial reaction was too harsh. Rather than shoot a spiker I would suggest that they be the ones to process the wood that has been spiked, while giving the wage to the legitimate worker whom they carelessly endangered. That way they take the risk.

Here's an article that sends the thread in the direction you wanted:

Enviro-terrorism must be stopped

By Scott Tibbs
web posted July 10, 2000

Across the country, domestic terrorism in the name of the environment is on the rise. Groups like the Earth Liberation Front (ELF) spike trees, burn down homes, destroy construction equipment, destroy ski resorts and engage in other acts of terrorism to inflict "economic damage" on people they consider to be doing damage to the environment.

In the past week, there have been two highly publicized incidents of tree spiking in Indiana. The ELF has claimed responsibility for both incidents. Craig Rosebraugh, national spokesman for the ELF and its sister terrorist group the Animal Liberation Front, argues these acts of terrorism are acts of self-defense against those who would damage the environment.

Hogwash.

The ELF and groups like it are thugs, pure and simple, and Rosebraugh is a cowardly publicity hound who hides behind the veil of secrecy that surround ELF terrorists to further his own extremist agenda. The ELF said in a statement that they are determined to protect "every square inch" of forests in the United States, and will continue to destroy property until no more logging takes place.

The most recent tree-spiking incidents illustrate the folly of the ELF's actions. Officials with the Indiana Department of Natural Recourses have stated that the trees now have to be cut down, because if logging is to occur in the future, the spiked trees cannot be allowed to stand as they could cause serious injury or death when a chain saw hits the spike. The ELF is cutting off its nose to spite its ugly face.

It is illegal to spike trees, but the penalties are far too lenient. Tree spiking is attempted murder, pure and simple, and should be treated as such. Enviro-terrorists know the danger a spike presents to loggers when they place them, and do so with complete disregard for human life. The ELF's "warning" to loggers that the trees have been spiked is a feeble attempt to cover up this fact. What would happen if a breakdown of communication had occurred, the logging had proceeded, and someone had died? Could Rosebraugh and the ELF live with themselves knowing they had caused the death of another human being?

Spiking trees is the coward's way out. If the enviro-extremists were truly committed to their cause, they would march into the forest and commit civil disobedience by placing themselves in the way of the logging equipment. I might be able to have a little bit of respect for them if they were willing to put their time, finances, reputations and bodies on the line for their cause, and be willing to face the repercussions of their actions like real men and women. Instead the cowards in the ELF move under cover of darkness and commit acts of terrorism.

What is worse is the increasing number of people who see the ELF as a legitimate group we must initiate a dialogue with. Some people see the terrorist actions of the ELF not as a crime wave that must be halted, but as the actions of well-intended people who are frustrated by the fact that "The System" does not listen to their concerns. If only we would listen to the environmentalists, we would not have to deal with the ELF.

Sorry, but that argument just does not hold water. We have been "listening" to the environmentalists for over thirty years. Legislation has been passed, and continues to be passed, at the national, state, and even local levels in the name of protecting the environment. President Clinton has signed numerous executive orders placing huge parcels of land off-limits to development and logging, and the environment seems to be an issue in every election year. If the ELF would expend half the energy they expend terrorizing the American people into campaigning for candidates who share their views, lobbying Congress and state legislatures, organizing letter-writing campaigns and trying to swing public opinion to their side, they would get a lot more accomplished.

But why doesn't this happen? The answer is simple. Members of the ELF are not political activists. They are thugs, criminals, and terrorists, accurately called "human debris".

The time for talk is over and the time for action has begun. Law enforcement must make every effort to find these terrorists and put them away. And it is also time to hold the so-called "legitimate" environmental groups accountable for their support of terrorism. We owe it to the victims of these terrorists to put and end to the ELF.

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Isn't this sort of like killing people, blowing them up in abortion clinic bombings, in order to prevent people from killing "the unborn?" I fail to see the logic in that line of thinking. . . . fortunately. I'd worry about myself if it did seem logical.

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My, aren't we ernest.

Damn, I didn't realize you were a weird little ****. You wouldn't see 19 if you did stuff like that where I live. Unbelievable.

See what happens when you touch a squirrel's nuts !?!

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i .. wouldnt spike a tree.. i dont have the actual will.. but i do support the whole, urban sprawl thing and i hate seeing forrest turned into industrial complex's or hotel's resorts.. etc.. i hate it... id be riding a bike to work everyday and to school if the road by my house wasnt a highway just so i can do my part ...me.. im just a lil ****ed up ... im the quiet kid in the class that everyone is afraid of... notice the status below my member name...

i apologize if i have offeneded anyone in the processs....

He runs to the wood.

Aww, isn't that special.

Seems like the prisoners over at state could go for some veal venison.

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Don't mean to interrupt your soliliquy regarding rose colored glasses over on the other thread that you are no doubt typing as I speak, but veal venison? Is that some genetically engineered thing I don't know about? is it the other other other white meat?

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We had an exterminator out to the job mentioned because I've read that squirrels are tough to get rid of -- they don't go for the tried and true snap trap -- he said we only have rats. I had found a mummified squirrel pelt in the debris under the fiberglass bathtub. Lord what a pile of stuff. They were able to access it through the crawl space where the drain poked through a freeway sized hole (for squirrels and rats) in the subfloor. I covered that sucker with concrete board. Chew on that, ya buck toothed vermin.

Anywho, the exterminator said one reason squirrels were so tough to get rid of is that they rarely eat human type garbage and certainly not sewage, like rats. He said you can eat a squirrel whereas you'd have to be a starving resident in some Siberian prison to eat a rat.

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Use your imagination Peregrino water man. Veal is a young calf. A deer under age 1 might not be as young in their cycle as veal are in their's but might be.

You can put your rose-colored glasses back on now.

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ohhhhhh, now I get it.

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I've never spiked a tree and don't especially like the whole idea. I've had a couple of friends who did a few times. It's a bit radical to be sure, but this article's mention of doing civil disobedience in the woods is BS. You sacrifice days and weeks in a vain gesture only to be hauled out by armed guards.

We're going through forests pretty rapidly. I've seen the aerial shots of clear cuts. Evidence of 3rd and 4th generation trees in Europe that are hardly growing at all due to soil depletion. Plenty of people have had their homestead just about ruined by nearby clearcutting and the resultant mudslides.

As obnoxious as tree spiking is, fact is the forces of runaway consumptive capitalism are not interested in slowing down. Alternative PsOV are ignored and steamrolled. I can understand why some people would resort to it.

Oh I forgot, we NEED to have 300 page magazines showcasing the latest in toiletries for the discerning modern woman. And McMansions as far as the eye can see. My bad.

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