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John Doe · #31 08-18-2006, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

When I compare the amount said about McKinney to her actual relevance, I conclude that they have said plenty about her.

The media's only consistent biases are in favor of (a) never going out on a limb and (b) always maximizing ratings and/or circulation (ie, profits). Anyone who has watched the last four presidential elections and still thinks that the media are biased in favor of Democrats is not being objective. IMHO.

I disagree. Everyone here seems to be in agreement that McKinney is a moron. However, where I live, there is a segment of society that hoots and hollers and has rallys for her---and all they know of her is what they hear in the media. Therefore, there must be something positive that these people have heard from the media about McKinney. Its about perspective whether or not its positive, isn't it?

peragro · #32 08-18-2006, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by John Doe

I disagree. Everyone here seems to be in agreement that McKinney is a moron. However, where I live, there is a segment of society that hoots and hollers and has rallys for her---and all they know of her is what they hear in the media. Therefore, there must be something positive that these people have heard from the media about McKinney. Its about perspective whether or not its positive, isn't it?

Obviously I disagree as well. In terms of importance I would place McKinney as more important than Mel Gibson. She makes laws he stars in movies. I see endless discussion on how a drunk movie star can be belligerent and racist yet the congresswoman is passed over. As is Farakhan, Jackson, Sharpton, Waters, Jefferson and so on. I see no public statement of condemnation coming from leading politicians of the same party. At least with regard to Gibson, here in CA, McLintock has publicly distanced himself from the man and his comments. Fact is that there is a deeply bigoted streak that runs through the black democratic movement that is by and large ignored - except by right wing radio. The recent Allen comment proves that when a Republican does something slight in this area it is national news, when a Democrat does it and continues to consistently do it, it is to be expected.

Honus · #33 08-18-2006, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by peragro

Obviously I disagree as well. In terms of importance I would place McKinney as more important than Mel Gibson. She makes laws he stars in movies. I see endless discussion on how a drunk movie star can be belligerent and racist yet the congresswoman is passed over...

And you attribute that imbalance to a bias in favor of Democrats? I see it as evidence in support of my view that the media have no consistent political bias. Their bias in is favor of profits.

mgburg · #34 08-18-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

And you attribute that imbalance to a bias in favor of Democrats? I see it as evidence in support of my view that the media have no consistent political bias. Their bias in is favor of profits.

"If it bleeds, it leads."

"If it screams, it leads."

ANY public official, be it a congressman, president, supreme court justice, all the way down to the dog-catcher and trashman...if they collect a public pay-check and they act-up, they're fodder for the camera and microphone.

Count on it...the media does.

You just have to find your "channel of choice" to view the gore.

peragro · #35 08-18-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

And you attribute that imbalance to a bias in favor of Democrats? I see it as evidence in support of my view that the media have no consistent political bias. Their bias in is favor of profits.

I'm not talking about the media. I agree they are out for profit, they're more entertainment than news now.

I'm talking about the acceptance on the part of the Democratic party for what is obviously a bigoted chunk of their electorate. I don't know what the reason is, perhaps it's the fear that if someone says something rightfully disdainful towards a bigot such as McKinney or Jackson or Sharpton or Farakhan or Waters they will have to deal with the race card in return. Assuming you are a democrat, you're being held hostage by your own party. Clearly there is a double standard at work.

cmac2012 · #36 08-18-2006, 02:08 PM

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I tend to agree. In light of the recent McKinney comments and various other comments from the black national caucus and others it's clear that there is a double standard at work here. Obviously the Democratic members of Congress can say many more deragatory things that denigrate entire members of cultures or races than can Republicans. It's just one of those unspoken understandings.

I'm still not even sure what a Maccaca is...

Me neither, but if you watch the video here, it will be clear to you that the honorable right reverend Geroge Allen stuck his foot in his mouth big time, remarks like, "Welcome to America, and the real world of Virginia," this to an American citizen who looks like a furriner to Allen.

Yes, McKinney is an idiot and an a$$. So is Allen. McKinney doesn't fancy herself to be presidential timber. Allen does. Wrong. Back to the end of the line, corpulent fool.

I believe the good people of her district revoked McKinney's ticket. Geroge...?

cmac2012 · #37 08-18-2006, 02:12 PM

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Sorry but I disagree. I have been pissed off to the point that I would like to deck someone but a racial or cultural insult has never crossed my lips because that is not the way I think. I do not think in terms of white or black, gay or straight, muslim or jewish … all I see are *********s. I am of the belief that any person, regardless of race, religion, culture or sexual preference has the capability to be an ass. I am of the opinion that the only people who use insults such as that are people who believe that way. McKinney, Gibson, Allen et al are all the same IMO. They are bigots in one fashion or another. Alcohol does not make one say things that one does not believe. Allen did not just use a word that he thought was fake but in reality was real and use that word in reference to a person who that word was ‘invented’ for. Allen is a bigot, Gibson is a bigot, KcKinney is a bigot. It’s not a slip of the tongue. It is their true self raising it’s ugly head into the sun shine for all to see.

Exactimo. Allen is a jerk. Repo, demo, black, white, doesn't matter. The man's emotional development is not advanced. A few years of hard labor might be a start to a better way of being.

cmac2012 · #38 08-18-2006, 02:13 PM

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Drama Queen

We've found the world's only non-judgmental person----moderator please move this to the alien killed in Maine thread.

John Doe, if that IS your real name, get real.

Honus · #39 08-18-2006, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by peragro

I'm not talking about the media. I agree they are out for profit, they're more entertainment than news now.

I'm talking about the acceptance on the part of the Democratic party for what is obviously a bigoted chunk of their electorate. I don't know what the reason is, perhaps it's the fear that if someone says something rightfully disdainful towards a bigot such as McKinney or Jackson or Sharpton or Farakhan or Waters they will have to deal with the race card in return. Assuming you are a democrat, you're being held hostage by your own party. Clearly there is a double standard at work.

But you were using George Allen and Cynthia McKinney to make your point. I haven't heard any politicians say anything about George Allen's macaca incident except a few people saying that he is a good person. So, I don't see how that case illustrates any double standard.

Are you saying that Republicans don't turn a blind eye when other Republicans say or do things that are stupid or hateful?

John Doe · #40 08-18-2006, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

John Doe, if that IS your real name, get real.

A drama queen and a seventh grade girl, now we got us a pillow fight for friday night.

cmac2012 · #41 08-18-2006, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

But you were using George Allen and Cynthia McKinney to make your point. I haven't heard any politicians say anything about George Allen's macaca incident except a few people saying that he is a good person. So, I don't see how that case illustrates any double standard.

Are you saying that Republicans don't turn a blind eye when other Republicans say or do things that are stupid or hateful?

I believe he's saying that because McKinney is a clue challenged a$$, doesn't matter if Allen is too.

cmac2012 · #42 08-18-2006, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by John Doe

A drama queen and a seventh grade girl, now we got us a pillow fight for friday night.

Whoa, JD, pulling out the powerful arguments now.

BTW, who you calling a seventh grade girl, foo? Don't you know I was born on the same day, same year as Mr. T? I'll let this one pass...

John Doe · #43 08-18-2006, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

But you were using George Allen and Cynthia McKinney to make your point. I haven't heard any politicians say anything about George Allen's macaca incident except a few people saying that he is a good person. So, I don't see how that case illustrates any double standard.

Are you saying that Republicans don't turn a blind eye when other Republicans say or do things that are stupid or hateful?

Allen's comment was stupid, and I bet if asked, he would say he misused the term and would also probably apologize to the lil fella. He was probably pissed (even though the dude had every right to be there) that he was being spied on at one of his own 'rallies.' I used to do this in college for candidtates and got all sorts of harrassed. Took it as part of the territory. I won't paint Allen as a the worst person in the world (like cmac is so quick to do) because I think he got caught up in the moment and doesn't vote like a racist, and has put his state in a pretty good state. If you ask Mckinney to retract anything she said, I bet she would say naw, Haeeelll naw you kike cracker--it is your fault that I lost. She wasn't contrite about the capitol hill incident either and then hired a self-proclaimed racist group as her posse for her grand exit speach.

John Doe · #44 08-18-2006, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Whoa, JD, pulling out the powerful arguments now.

BTW, who you calling a seventh grade girl, foo? Don't you know I was born on the same day, same year as Mr. T? I'll let this one pass...

I know all you guys from Berkley dress up like girls on the weekend to get tax abatements. Lighten up See Crack, I wasn't talking to you in the first place

cmac2012 · #45 08-18-2006, 02:56 PM

Dude, I get livid when people mock my screen name.