Well, you were the one that said play your best and you are a winner. So, why keep score? Either it matters to win or it doesn't. BTW, IIRC, there were several players in the NBA that were grateful to him. Assuming everybody plays well, everybody is a winner then the score is irrelevant. So why keep score? You score a goal or touchdown, you move on. Go home at the end of the day. Everybody is a winner already so what is the point of the score?

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Well, that goes without saying, but you bring up an interesting point: would I want BK coaching my kids.......

Definitely not my daughters, and not a son if it were rec league, or even highschool. But, if a son went to a big 10, ect....school and had a shot at the pros--yeah, I would want BK to coach him, just as I would want McEnroe to coach him tennis. College sports takes an extreme amount of dedication to even remain on the team. Unfortunately, I didn't have that and now wish my coach had given a **** and pushed me harder instead of focusing on the 2 or 3 superlative players.

Talk about amazed!!!
You managed to use the word " real world" in a discussion about sports. Thats your "real world" ???

In the "rea;world" it is more difficult to define the winners and losers? Do you define someone's true worth by the amount of money they have? What a loser!!! How about by the amount of help they give other people?,, or the happiness they provide to others?, or even the service they provide to other people?
Knight may a winner in the sport's world by some definition, but in the real world of the human condition, he looks like a loser to me.
Your opinion may differ......

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Most of the coaches and players who have been under his tutelage over the years would disagree with your assessment. Ask Mike Krzyzewski what he thinks of Mr. Knight. I'll certainly admit that the General is a flawed individual (aren't we all?), but the insinuation that his heart isn't in the right place, or that he doesn't place the welfare of those in his charge above winning is simply misguided, IMHO.

That was my previous point--former players who's comments can't affect them are worth a lot more than our judgments based upon watching selective outtakes on TV.

I went to lawschool with a guy who warmed the bench at IU. He says, yeah he could be a jerk, but he was the best coach I ever had. Says it was no big deal the whole four years he was there, until Knight would smart off to some reporter and then it was a contest to make the team lose focus. Boilermaker sabotage, I say

No, Reread the what I said. Real world is what we live in after the fairy tales are old and done with.

No it is not difficult at all. Look at the definitions. Closest to it wins. In the NLF, it is the winning of the superbowl that defines who wins it all. In the commercial world, there is a different standard. However, bottom line is that it is not all that difficult.

Financially speaking, absolutely. If that is your defination then the richest man is the most successful man.

Good joke. I needed to start the work day with a laugh. I guess that is good for people that don't make the cut who need a crutch to feel that they have also won something.

Well, in his arena he is a success. Good enough for me. Find something you are good at and excel. Either that or espouse "everyone is a winner" so you don't feel so bad at night. I don't have any particular claim to fame and I live with that. I don't need some slogan to feel like a winner when I don't win.

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Don't be so humble--you are by far the biggest pessimist I have never met!!! Certainly the winner here at MB shop!

Well, it only took 8 posts for this one to go from Texas sports to WH politics and criticism .
Anyone know if this is a OD thread record. Just curious!
Perhaps it was tongue in cheek. I don't know.

Nevertheless, the trend here to inject political remarks in totally unrelated discussions amazes (and disappoints) me.
If we were having this discussion in a bar or someone's den watching the game, and someone popped up with "Bush is a bully", wouldn't you think it out of place? I know I'd be thinking "WTF"??
My point is not to make or rebutt a political statement. Merely to wonder why these comments seem to seep into unrelated discussions with a fair amount of regularity.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.....

Maybe old Bobby has been suffering from a Napoleonic complex ever since his playing days at OSU. He was, recall, the little guy in the backcourt feeding Jerry Lucas and John Havlichek, who got the headlines, glory and Pro careers and championships.
Give him enough rope. Sooner or later, he'll hang himself.

And you're right. Those of us who have actually followed him at Indiana or elsewhere in his carreer are also coming from a better vantage point than those who only see the occasional over-publicized tirade (my personal favorite was after IU lost to Northwestern years ago). What gets me are the legions of folks who want to pigeonhole the guy with the likes of Jerry Tarkanian, as a 'win at all cost' kinda guy. Nothing could be further from the truth. BTW, I have never heard a single kind work about Knight from any Purdue fan. In Boilermaker country, the General is the Great Satan.

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Nevertheless, the trend here to inject political remarks in totally unrelated discussions amazes (and disappoints) me.
If we were having this discussion in a bar or someone's den watching the game, and someone popped up with "Bush is a bully", wouldn't you think it out of place? I know I'd be thinking "WTF"??
My point is not to make or rebutt a political statement. Merely to wonder why these comments seem to seep into unrelated discussions with a fair amount of regularity.
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If there is ONE other person on this forum who didn't get that what I posted was a joke, please raise their hand. indeed.

["everyone is a winner" so you don't feel so bad at night.

i never said "everyone is a winner". i said if you play to your best ability you are a winner.

if you are a bully and so forth you are not a winner in my book.

as in auto racing, if you spin folks out to win you are a loser in my book.

as in a street altercation if you are arguing with someone and you sucker punch them you might knock them out but you are a loser in my book.

if you embrace win at any cost or cheat you are a loser.

and by the way, in the beginning, i was a bk fan. i used to say if purdue isnt playing i root for iu. i respected his gamemanship, his tenacity etc. but through the years i witnessed his bullying of players, refs and everybody. he threw a lamp at a secretary at iu, for christs sake, how is that excusable? no, in my book he is just a cowardly, sleazy bully.

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[QUOTE=aklim;1333419]Good joke. I needed to start the work day with a laugh. I guess that is good for people that don't make the cut who need a crutch to feel that they have also won something.

Too bad you fee that way. This was a discussion about BK, and yet you chose to make it personal, why?

Honor is more valuable than winning.

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It is easy to be top dog amongst a bunch of mutts. Much harder in a pedigreed show tho.

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and you are pedigreed amongst the mutts.....

because you honor bobby?

tom w

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Hmmm. Reading what I said and reflecting on it with what was said previously. Try it sometime. You might be surprised at what you find.

JD crowned me as the winner at MB Shop for being the biggest pessimist. I said it was easy to be top dog amongst a bunch of mutts. What about that statement escapes you?

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