i took a tour of where they make toilet paper for walmart (the cheap stuff)... boy.. was that fun... not


the cheap stuff is like using sandpaper - my last gf (the redhead) said that

Matt,
You are probably right on that one. Let's be grateful they did.
Say, maybe I could look for an answer in the 100th anniversary book, except I have never cracked the binding.
Tim Hoelter (sp?) who was one of the 13 is the only one to have "opened the book" to autograph the picture posted up here by JH III, which is in that book.BTW, Willie G., Nancy, Bill D., Jeff Blustein (then Chairman) and Jim McCaslin, (then President) ,and a couple of other Harley VP's all autographed it for me too back at the O.R.Tour in 02 and the 100th anniv. parade in 03. Brought it home and it's been in a plastic bag ever since.

And Tom, I think it was a woman who remarked to me years ago: "You don't get layed riding a Honda". She was a legal secretary.
I concede that there is a lot of sexual energy and symbolism surrounding motorcycles. I often think when I hear a noisy bike screaming from one red light 100 ft. to the next red light just to turn heads. "Loud pipes. Small deeck"
Macho and scary is mostly the ambition of the 1 or 2%ers (outlaws). The rest of the HD world is for the most part about having fun.

Jim

Two "green light" situations for me...both ended differently.

First one: 2 AM in the morning, came up to the light at the top of an off-ramp. Light turned green, I looked left - sure as geese s***, there's a motorcycle (ninja-crotch-rocket), shifting into "warp-drive" coming to the intersection...

He whips through at probably over 80 mph. And a few blocks behind him? Two WI. St. Troopers - going as fast as physics would allow them to go. I looked left and lived. No hits, no harm. The biker? By the time I got home and turned on the scanner, the St. Patrol and County boys (They were involved in the chase, too.) had called off the pursuit - they all lost the "future" organ-donor.

Second time: Pulled up behind a high-schooler-home-built-bubba-truck (old Chevy PU w/bed replaced with 2-x-4s, boat-trailer lights and 33s on a home-built lift-kit) (yep, the State will allow you to put plates on these things! ). When the light turns green, "Bubba" drops the clutch, then realizes he still had the truck in 3rd, not 1st. After re-starting the "snubbed" unit (the light is still green) he finally finds the right gear, jams it in and then moves through the light. I wait 'til he's about two car-lenghts ahead (just in case he snubs it again - I didn't want to rear-end his ride.) and then I start through (the light's still green). As I'm about driver's-door into the middle of the intersection, a "movement" grabs my attention...there's a full-sized Mercury Marque Station Wagon, snow-plowing its way towards me at approx. 35 mph. I jam on the gas and manage to move forward just enough that the left-rear corner of the wagon connects w/the left rear wheel of my Blazer.

Marque - 1
Blazer - 0

He snapped the wheel clean off the axle and spins me 135° CCW from where I was originally heading. He puts his ride in gear and starts to head off. I grab the cell-phone (Old-style corded-battery-pack - 10# unit), call 9-1-1, and report the hit. Long story shortened up: He gets nailed for blowing a 0.16 at 2:30 on a Friday afternoon and not having a valid DL for over 3 years, after having being arrested only a week before for carrying a concealed weapon (pistol).

I just ended up w/a "glass shower" and over $5,000.00 damage to the Blazer.

Good thing? The moron HAD INSURANCE!!!!

The Insurance company (IC) called me a few times - I played hard-ass with them, they settled for $12Gs, paid all medical (I was TOLD by the officers at the scene to get checked out...) and the Blazer was actually a better ride/driver than before the accident. And the paint job was !!

Bottom-line? Just because you looked once, and all seems OK, it ain't neccessarily so.

"Measure once, cut once, you're screwed. Measure twice, cut once, you might be close, but you're still screwed (unless you measured too long!). Measure thrice, start your cut, then measure one more time, call Murphy, then give up the project. Life's out to get you and Murph's there to kick your @$$ just to be sure you realize you're still alive." - M. G. Burg -

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'10 - Dakota SXT - Daily Ride / ≈ 172.5K
.'76 - 450SLC - 107.024.12 / < .89.20 K
..'77 - 280E - 123.033.12 / > 128.20 K
...'67 - El Camino - 283ci / > 207.00 K
....'75 - Yamaha - 650XS / < 21.00 K
.....'87 - G20 Sportvan / > 206.00 K
......'85 - 4WINNS 160 I.O. / 140hp
.......'74 - Honda CT70 / Real 125
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“I didn’t really say everything I said.”
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ~ Yogi Berra ~

..........I can see the steam coming out of AK's ears right about now.........

My angle on the loud pipes:

Over the years I've had a Katana 750 (sportbike) and a '77 Yamaha XS750 with straight pipes.

I rode the two back to back for a while when commuting to school on cincinnati's surface streets... I could watch the drivers turn their heads looking for me when I was on the straight-piped bike. It wasnt reliable, but there was no doubt in my mind that more people paid attention to me with a loud bike.

I still prefer the katana, pissing people off isnt the way I go about things.

-John

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2009 Kia Sedona
2009 Honda Odyssey EX-L
12006 Jetta Pumpe Duse
(insert Mercedes here)

Husband, Father, sometimes friend =)

Overcooked fish.

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You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows - Robert A. Zimmerman

CMAC!!!!

GOTTA'!!!

FOX is burned on your screeeen!

FOX is burned on your screeeen!

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M. G. Burg
'10 - Dakota SXT - Daily Ride / ≈ 172.5K
.'76 - 450SLC - 107.024.12 / < .89.20 K
..'77 - 280E - 123.033.12 / > 128.20 K
...'67 - El Camino - 283ci / > 207.00 K
....'75 - Yamaha - 650XS / < 21.00 K
.....'87 - G20 Sportvan / > 206.00 K
......'85 - 4WINNS 160 I.O. / 140hp
.......'74 - Honda CT70 / Real 125
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“I didn’t really say everything I said.”
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ~ Yogi Berra ~

Whoa, and the stock price has gone up by how many hundreds of percent? Where's my time machine....

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Te futueo et caballum tuum

1986 300SDL, 362K
1984 300D, 138K

Nah, you have to watch for longer than 15 minutes a day.

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Te futueo et caballum tuum

1986 300SDL, 362K
1984 300D, 138K

If I had to explain..........

I will say this, I can ride through the city without attracting undue attention because I know how to properly modulate the throttle. I don't rev it up at lights either.

As for the "(wow, it must take a REAL man to operate such a dangerous, noisy bike! i think i want to hop in bed with him!) ... imagined thoughts of a woman standing nearby as the loud harley rider roars by" comment:

I don't even have footpegs for a passenger, and run a solo seat, and I mostly ride alone and at night, in the middle of nowhere. The only *****es that see and hear me have four legs.

.........must be difficult getting all those legs out of the way..........

That what the industrial zip ties are for, still looking for a dog breath mint.....

Bottom-line? Just because you looked once, and all seems OK, it ain't neccessarily so.

"Measure once, cut once, you're screwed. Measure twice, cut once, you might be close, but you're still screwed (unless you measured too long!). Measure thrice, start your cut, then measure one more time, call Murphy, then give up the project. Life's out to get you and Murph's there to kick your @$$ just to be sure you realize you're still alive." - M. G. Burg -
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Ever since about 6 -7 years ago I always now never pull out into any intersection without tapping the gas 2-3 times before accelerating, and looking both ways...
It is an instinct now;
Reason: I am behind a lite green 2 door Nissan Sentra at a traffic light;
It 's an intersection for an exit ramp of I-95 S.
She pulls out into the intersection on green & some idiot in a pick up truck runs the exit ramp light at full highway speed or 45-55mph; He hits a broadside and demolishes the Sentra;
I get home that night and hear a 22 yr old mother was killed on the spot in this accident with her 6 month old baby right next to her.

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'87 924S
'81 280SEL

Sold ->

81 300SD -
93 300E w/ 3.2
85 300D-
79 300SD
82 300CD
83 300CD - CA
87 190E 5 spd
87 Porsche 924S

"..I'll take a simple "C" to "G" and feel brand new about it..."

ok. there is ONE mufflerless harley rider who doesnt make loud noises at stop lights.

loved brian's comment about the legs!

and john's response.

and i STILL see no justification for allowing no muffs.

tom w

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

Not really. That is why they make loud horns. And in my vette, I have no problems cutting in front of them so I don't get stuck with them again.

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01 Ford Excursion Powerstroke
99 E300 Turbodiesel
91 Vette with 383 motor
05 Polaris Sportsman 800 EFI
06 Polaris Sportsman 500 EFI
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Red
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Yellow
04 Tailgator 21 ft Toy Hauler
11 Harley Davidson 883 SuperLow