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Gurkha · #**106** 07-18-2007, 11:03 PM

Your friend in Bhopal has to sell his kidneys due to the irresponsible way he shaped his life, probably got married, living on fringes, un-educated, has more than 4 babies and now has to sell kidneys to sustain. Don't think he would make it to US, the ones who make it have education, most of em top notch and do quite well in US as per the US Immigration department studies.

Matt SD300 · #**107** 07-19-2007, 02:23 AM

Gurkas....WOW............How many insults...can one count in a thread????????

Infractions= NONE......LIBS...............

Matt L · #**108** 07-19-2007, 02:25 AM

Don't you consider the term "LIBS" to be an insult?

dacia · #**109** 07-19-2007, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tankdriver

Have you ever been to India? Some friends of mine have gone there a few times doing charity work. We were talking about India over dinner, and I was surprised that even people who have been there had such a skewed view of the country. Like most Americans, they viewed India as full of terribly poor people and a few super rich. I was shocked when I mentioned something about India's middle class and one of them said, "really, there's a middle class? I didn't really see any." India's middle class is over 450 million people, 100 million more people than all of America.
American/Europeans go there prejudging, looking for what they want to find. And they'll find it. You can't have 1.1 billion people crammed into a space barely bigger than Texas and not run into poverty and the bad things poverty lends people to do. It also should be no surprise that there are plenty of uneducated people - if our government tried to provide education for a billion people it would collapse.
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One of your citations also mentions that a 1/4 of the population is poor. That's 250 million people. The United States has 300 million people and is much richer than India. Naturally there are no poor people in America, right? ...

Read the thread from the beginning. Gurkha made an assertion that $350 dollar a month is chump change for Indians. I called him on it and proved from a few different sources that that amount is a lot of money over there.

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“Classified as a "low income" country by the World Bank with a GNI (gross national income) of $450.”

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“Despite significant economic progress, a quarter of the nation's population earns less than the government-specified poverty threshold of $0.40/day. In addition, India has a higher rate of malnutrition among children under the age of three (46% in year 2007) than any other country in the world.”

www.wikipedia.org

That is not “poor” but destitute and hungry every day.

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“Almost a quarter of India's 1.1 billion people live on less than $1 a day; 700 million more live on less than $2 a day.”
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/05/08/opinion/edhughes.php"
“29% of the population lives below the poverty line; 70% of these people reside in rural areas
86% of the population lives under $2 per day; 44% lives under $1 per day
25% of the population does not have enough money to eat adequately"

So 700 million are dirt poor, living in abject poverty, the rest, 450 million, are middle class (according to you). Democracy and responsible government at work.

I have never been to India, my wife has and so have a few of my students (Japanese business men). They basically said the same thing as your friends.
I wonder why there is such a consensus?

Then both you and Gurkha got all defensive and blamed the British for India’s problems.

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Originally Posted by tankdriver

Surely you can't be serious. The Brits controlled us for 170 years. You can't be that ignorant of history. There was a time when 'the sun never sets on the British Empire'.
As for why they were unable to throw off the Brits, well let's look at the US and India. The founding fathers were not native people, lived in a resource rich land, had European support and equivalent weapons technology, and revolted before the Industrial Revolution. India on the other hand had a native population, no outside support, were not rich on vast resources, had inferior weapons technology, and most importantly were under British control before the Industrial Revolution. If you don't understand how a colonizing power can control the destiny of its colony by controlling industrial production, there's not much point in going any further.

What do you mean "us" half-white man? Just kidding.

Seriously, are you American or Indian, surely if you were born and raised in America then "us" could only mean US.

India didn't even exist as a country before the 20th century.
The land was colonized not by the British Empire but a commercial entity, the British East India Company (or Honourable East India Company).

As to the size and the natural resources, here is some info:
Size: India: 3,287,590 sq km seventh largest country in the world
Texas: 678,051 sq km

Natural resources:
India: coal (fourth-largest reserves in the world), iron ore, manganese, mica, bauxite, titanium ore, chromite, natural gas, diamonds, petroleum, limestone, arable land

US: coal, copper, lead, molybdenum, phosphates, uranium, bauxite, gold, iron, mercury, nickel, potash, silver, tungsten, zinc, petroleum, natural gas, timber
Courtesy of: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/

That amount of coal, iron, petroleum and bauxit, in my mind, is a wonderful base to launch an industrial revolution from.
The native population in India, or in America for that matter, had exactly the same time through evolution (if you believe in it) to form a nation state, build ocean going ships, develop weapons technology, start and sustain an industrial revolution, explore and discover new lands and make use of their resources as the Europeans did. It didn't happen. It did in Europe. What can I tell you?

As to the shaking off the colonial rule, you brought a perfect example.
The circumstances seem similar, a colony an ocean away, British rule, feelings of being exploited. The US did just that (kicked British butt), but there was never a Boston Tea party in India. Lot of tea but no party.

It was the Indians' inability to put aside tribalism, form a nation and act in unison against an outsider. Had it not been for the British there may well be no India today for there was nothing there but a bunch marauding fiefdoms, warring kings and chieftains that the British so efficiently used against each other. Divide et impera.

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Originally Posted by tankdriver

India is more than 100 years behind America in industrial production, in large part due to the occupation of the British. If you want to sit here and compare a country less than 100 years in control of its own destiny to a country that has had 300 years of control, control of its industry, 1/3rd the population, extreme richness of natural resources, and conclude that, 'Ha! We're better and you suck,' then it's hardly a surprise that America doesn't have a great reputation around the world...

As to what not a 100 but 50 years of incredible work habit, determination and
knowledge can bring here are two examples: Germany and Japan.
Both were bombed back to the stone age, especially Germany, had their countries in ruins, lost a large percentage of their male working population yet both were able to overcome the negative effects of defeat, the payment of incredible sums of war reparations and became the leading industrial nations of the world.
Something to chew on:

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Germany:
"After World War II, according to the Potsdam conference held between July 17 and August 2, 1945, Germany was to pay the Allies US$20 billion mainly in machinery, manufacturing plants. Reparations to the Soviet Union stopped in 1953. In addition, in accordance with the agreed upon policy of de-industrialisation and pastoralization of Germany, large numbers of civilian factories were dismantled for transport to France and the UK, or simply destroyed. Dismantling in the west stopped in 1950.

In the end, war victims in many countries were compensated by the property of Germans that were expelled after World War II. Beginning immediately after the German surrender and continuing for the next two years, the United States pursued a vigorous program to harvest all technological and scientific know-how as well as all patents in Germany. Historian John Gimbel, in his book Science Technology and Reparations: Exploitation and Plunder in Postwar Germany, states that the "intellectual reparations" taken by the U.S. and the UK amounted to close to $10 billion dollars. [1] German reparations were partly to be in the form of forced labor. By 1947, approximately 4,000,000 German POW's and civilians were used as forced labor (under various headings, such as "reparations labor" or "enforced labor") in the Soviet Union, France, the UK, Belgium and in Germany in U.S run "Military Labor Service Units"."

In addition, Israel exists thanks largely to the 10's of billions of deutsche marks paid by Germany as war reparation.

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Japan:
"Treaty of Peace with Japan and the bilateral agreements, Japan agreed to pay around 1 trillion and 30 billion yen. For countries that renounced any reparations from Japan, it agreed to pay indemnity and/or grants in accordance with bilateral agreements."

So stop blaming Europeans for your problems, it is your work habit, inefficient and corrupt government, failing education system that gives you the headaches.

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(India:
Literacy:
definition: age 15 and over can read and write
total population: 61%
male: 73.4%
female: 47.8% (2001 census)

Pointing out your shortcomings does not mean I hate you.
The billions of dollars India spent on developing nukes could have provided a few meals to the hungry, heck it would have been enough to build a few more schools, me thinks.

Alex

Gurkha · #**110** 07-19-2007, 02:28 AM

Incoherent ramblings again Matt, maybe its time for you to take out your good book and pray for a miracle.

Matt SD300 · #**111** 07-19-2007, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt L

Don't you consider the term "LIBS" to be an insult?

No....Funny ...how you find shame in it???????????????

Matt SD300 · #**112** 07-19-2007, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Gurkha

Incoherent ramblings again Matt, maybe its time for you to take out your good book and pray for a miracle.

Insult after Insult.................

Your "HATRED FOR GOD...Christianity"...is mind boggling.........

UGLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gurkha · #**113** 07-19-2007, 02:43 AM

dacia,

Its still chump change, you have no idea, as for feeding the billions, its being done but then by the time its reached, another billion comes up, as for failing education system, are you blind, have you taken a look around at the number of Indian highly educated personnel working in US and doing far better than their counterparts. No one is blaming Europeans for our shortfalls, but history can't be denied for the evils they did, neither can the damage be undone, deny it or not. As for work ethics, as per the US dept of Immigration as well as US census bureau, Indians do better than most in terms of education, work etc. guess you didn't even bother to read the Thomas Friedman report, being selectively blind and deaf is a forte of your types for sure.

Gurkha · #**114** 07-19-2007, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt SD300

Insult after Insult.................

Your "HATRED FOR GOD...Christianity"...is mind boggling.........

UGLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nothing as vehement as your racist bigoted hatred for other religions, people of other races and general intolerance and deliberate ignorance toward anything but your own kind, can't be beat at any cost.

Incredible, you defile Hinduism by calling it a faith of rat worshippers and false Gods without any provocation and then you expect my response to you to be civil, since I don't go by your scriptures, don't expect me to turn the other cheek

Matt SD300 · #**115** 07-19-2007, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Gurkha

Nothing as vehement as your racist bigoted hatred for other religions, people of other races and general intolerance and deliberate ignorance toward anything but your own kind, can't be beat at any cost.

Racist Gigot???????????????.........Once again a insult.......

WOW...."Your"... hatred has no bounds?????????..............

UGLY!!!!!!!!

Gurkha · #**116** 07-19-2007, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt SD300

Racist Gigot???????????????.........Once again a insult.......

WOW....your hatred has no bounds..............

UGLY!!!!!!!!

Rambling away at the cost of being sickly redundant, time for you to walk over water I guess.

Gurkha · #**117** 07-19-2007, 02:53 AM

I have no hatred toward Christianity, just hate so called misguided practitioners like your kind, lucky for me, my faith allows me to believe in great persons of all religions so I have equal respect for Christ and Muhammad, I regularly go to masses as well as Muslim prayers, let me ask you, would you be willing to go to a prayer session of another faith, seriously doubt that as your mind is clouded in useless doctrine of hate.

Matt SD300 · #**118** 07-19-2007, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Gurkha

Rambling away at the cost of being sickly redundant, time for you to walk over water I guess.

Sickly redundant.......OUCH!!!!!!!!....I did not know a ..."SINNER" like me could WALK ON WATER????????

PURE HATRED!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are not cumputers great????????..they can "SAVE EVERYTHING"......

It's all in who you know!!!!!!!!!!!

Matt SD300 · #**119** 07-19-2007, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Gurkha

I have no hatred toward Christianity, just hate so called misguided practitioners like your kind, lucky for me, my faith allows me to believe in great persons of all religions so I have equal respect for Christ and Muhammad, I regularly go to masses as well as Muslim prayers, let me ask you, would you be willing to go to a prayer session of another faith, seriously doubt that as your mind is clouded in useless doctrine of hate.

JUST HATE...Your KIND (out spoken Christians)?????????

PURE HATRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!