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Gurkha · #76 07-17-2007, 03:21 AM

No one is trying to distort the image, the ills remain, after all we have been independent for 50 years, the Brits left us with nothing, all our coffers empty, the country in a veritable mess, its not easy to recover from that but considering all the back falls, it hasn't done that bad. No one is denying the poverty, heck, US has its fair share of ghettos and lets highlight that as well. Lots of people go hungry in an country which claims to be numero uno in every field. The point was with call center workers and what I have depicted is what it is, the poor masses have no reach to the call centers, its only the middle class kids in cities with English medium education who are recruited into call centers and BPOs.

Its apparent by your post that your hatred toward India is clear, can't help you there, jaundiced, prejudiced and severely biased western reporting has been the bane and remains so till current date, the Christian sponsored reports are all about how the non believer pagans live in darkness, kind of highlights their conversion agenda for sure., all they come and do is highlight the ills, next time I would tell the Indian counterparts to do the same, go to the ghettos and gang infested areas spread all across US. Bear in mind, India is in a severe over population problem where resources get scarce day by day due to population growing way out of bounds, however, we are a democracy, unlike our neighbor China, we can't enact rules and stop the population growth in one short day, I am sure US human rights watchers would have a field day then.

As for Christian prayer in Parliament house, been done many a times, there are temples here where Christian prayers are held, show me one church in Europe or US where its done so.

It is you who is trying to potray India in negative light by putting your biased reporting, I have allegiance to India and US, and will defend both when needed and misinformation is being spread. Its also obvious that attacking Hindu Indians is your forte', not surprising, there are others in this board who have resorted to same.

dacia · #77 07-17-2007, 03:54 AM

I simply pointed out the inaccuracy in your post, for many from the privileged class in India prefer to close their eyes to reality.

"Can India ever overcome its huge poverty problem? It depends on what strategy the country takes.

Today, India appears to have four broad approaches to tackling poverty. The first is essentially to abolish the poor, rather than poverty. This was graphically illustrated in Mumbai this year when slum neighborhoods were razed, making 400,000 people homeless. The Mumbai police followed up by beating protesters whose shacks had been demolished.

The second approach is often termed the trickle-down model, but perhaps better described as "ignore the poor." A favorite of many Indian economists, it argues that in the next two to three decades poverty will disappear as market forces go to work.

But even if prosperity does eventually trickle down, sitting back and doing nothing about poverty for yet another generation is a human and economic waste.

India's government is backing a third, developmental approach that aims to improve the social and physical conditions of the rural and urban poor. This means more and better roads, improvements in water supplies and rural electrification; it also means big steps forward in education and health, together with efforts at microfinance.

The fourth and most ambitious approach seeks to exploit the unused entrepreneurial abilities of the poor."

Reporting the facts does not make me a bigot.
Blaming India's ills on the British is a rather weak strategy, and for the over population you can blame nobody but yourselves.
By the way, how the heck was a country with 1/15th of land mass and 1/20th of population able to control India, from half way around the world no less? Why weren't you able to shake off the colonial rule with a simple shrug of a shoulder?
Perhaps you should look inward for the reasons behind the grinding and vicious cycle of poverty and not blame others.

As to defending both India and the US, well it is a noble idea but where will
you stand when push comes to shove? For whom would you die?

Alex

Gurkha · #78 07-17-2007, 04:12 AM

Negating India's growth, achievements as well as hard work of general Indians by showing jaundiced propaganda material is equally bad, there are plenty of negative materials written against the US, how would you like me to highlight that, kind of stupid isn't it. India is one country which doesn't deny its ills, as a matter of fact, journalists here work overtime to show all the ills in their true color, that doesn't mean that all is bad, for every bad, there is more good and therefore this country persevered for thousands of years and will continue to do so. No excuse about the Brits, like typical colonists, they looted like common criminals and left India in a mess, not to mention they left a highly corrupt system of government, this is fact and history and doesn't change even if you deny it. OTOH, this same country now has the highest number of middle class with phenomenal purchasing power, so much so that all the so called greedy corporates whore themselves regularly, US corporates included. Also the number of millionaires and billionaires in India is second only to US, quite a feat from a country perceived to be full of beggars. worldwide, Indians like Mittal etc. are prime example of the family system and what it brings, lest you forget, we do provide US and other western countries with a significant amount of brain power, Vinod Dham of Pentium, Bhatia of Hotmail and Khosla or SUN to name a few, but in your biased perception, all Indians are is bunch of maimed, child killing beggars, thats one insanely stupid statement if there was ever any. Since teenage sex as well as pregnancy and illicit affairs are the norm in US families according to various reports, am I to assume all the US population comes out of illegitimate affairs, that would be stupid of me as well. Wake up and smell the coffee and stop believing in walking on water or parting the sea.

About my dying for country, don't act like homeland security and question my patriotism, this is exactly what I was talking about in my previous posts, I am sure now aklim would see my point well.

cmac2012 · #79 07-17-2007, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dacia

I expect them to speak the freaking language!
That amount is a lottery win for them.

I've had mostly good luck with tech support people with an Indian accent.

cmac2012 · #80 07-17-2007, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt SD300

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I'm trying to think what Islamic country recently used top of the line military hardware to knock off a gub-mint it didn't like, killing all sorts of civilians willy nilly, in a Christian nation. And then built permanent military bases from which they could keep the Christian nation as their ***** for the foreseeable future.

I'm talking about gub-mint policy, with the backing of the deep pockets of a large state.

aklim · #81 07-17-2007, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Gurkha

I agree, its in the same way people vote for someone who then goes on to invade a country and tear it apart, the majority moderates voted and approved. They went with the tide, all of us humans do, we love to be sheep and be led by the so called Shepherd.

There is a slight difference tho. There are all kinds of anti-war squawking and motions and bumper stickers to "Impeach Bush". Seeing how many muslims there are, (more than the US population) I should be hearing more than what I am hearing now from the muslim population, shouldn't I?

aklim · #82 07-17-2007, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

I'm trying to think what Islamic country recently used top of the line military hardware to knock off a gub-mint it didn't like, killing all sorts of civilians willy nilly, in a Christian nation. And then built permanent military bases from which they could keep the Christian nation as their ***** for the foreseeable future.

I'm talking about gub-mint policy, with the backing of the deep pockets of a large state.

If they don't use top of the line hardware, does it count also?

Talk to me about Jihad Construction then. Where does it get it's money?

Gurkha · #83 07-17-2007, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

I've had mostly good luck with tech support people with an Indian accent.

cmac,

His original reply purely indicated his hatred toward Indians in general, specially the Rat worshipper types

his subsequent posts just clarified his hate further.

aklim · #84 07-17-2007, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Gurkha

cmac,

His original reply purely indicated his hatred toward Indians in general, specially the Rat worshipper types

his subsequent posts just clarified his hate further.

I don't know. Sounds like a pretty fast move for a bunch of rat worshippers. Could I make millionaire if I started worshiping rats? If so, count me in. Put it this way. For enough money, I'll dance around a fire at midnight with a chicken tied to my head.

Gurkha · #85 07-17-2007, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

There is a slight difference tho. There are all kinds of anti-war squawking and motions and bumper stickers to "Impeach Bush". Seeing how many muslims there are, (more than the US population) I should be hearing more than what I am hearing now from the muslim population, shouldn't I?

See thats the irony, I have Muslim friends of Indian and Pakistani origins in US, all of them condemn this act, its just that they would like to be associated with their mosque and religion as well and are therefore afraid to alienate in a way, also many Muslims I would meet would have initial resentment toward the Kaffir Hindu and surprisingly most of them educated as well, the brain washing and indoctrination plays a major role in it I guess, but then after seeing responses against Indians and Hindus in general from certain forum members, its no surprise either.

Gurkha · #86 07-17-2007, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

I don't know. Sounds like a pretty fast move for a bunch of rat worshippers. Could I make millionaire if I started worshiping rats? If so, count me in. Put it this way. For enough money, I'll dance around a fire at midnight with a chicken tied to my head.

Good one aklim

aklim · #87 07-17-2007, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Gurkha

See thats the irony, I have Muslim friends of Indian and Pakistani origins in US, all of them condemn this act, its just that they would like to be associated with their mosque and religion as well and are therefore afraid to alienate in a way, also many Muslims I would meet would have initial resentment toward the Kaffir Hindu and surprisingly most of them educated as well, the brain washing and indoctrination plays a major role in it I guess, but then after seeing responses against Indians and Hindus in general from certain forum members, its no surprise either.

Currently, Bush is a very unpopular US President with everything he does being magnified and no passes given. Somehow I cannot see OBL & Co in that same light among muslims. Now, if you don't stand up to be counted, how can I count you and assess? Think of a US Serviceman. I don't know what oath he takes but I think it is safe to assume that he has to follow legal orders. After 911, they had to ask some guy in Saudi Arabia for permission to go to Afghanistan. Makes you wonder where their loyalties lie. With another muslim or the country they swore to defend. These are not some lowlife in the streets who feels disenfranchised by his govt which is caused, so he thinks, by the US govt. This is a US serviceman we are talking about. In this case, he has made his loyalties clear. Therefore, what more can I assume when you are a foreigner who has not even pledged allegiance to the US or taken an oath of service?

As to Hindus, personally, I think they have too many gods in the religion. I keep mine simple. ZERO gods. Well, maybe if you don't count the Goddess of High Torque and Horsepower. I have enough things to worry about in life without adding one more to worry about. Look, if they want to bark at the moon and they don't disturb my sleep, I could care less.

aklim · #88 07-17-2007, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Gurkha

Good one aklim

You got the money, honey, I got the time.

Gurkha · #89 07-17-2007, 09:00 AM

See, now almost all the Muslim population across the globe believe in opposing US, mainly they see US as an instrument used by Zionists, Bin Laden is just one facet, also since they are on the loosing side, support for the so-called oppressor, specially during Crusades as they call it is impossible, India has been going through this longer than rest of the world, after independence, US's best ally Pakistan with US aid and tacit approval declared a holy war on India and Hindus and it continues till today after many lives lost, it has the facade of being for independence for Kashmir but covers greater agenda of Delhi and any Muslim populated area in India in general, whats really frustrating is that when independence was declared, Pakistan declared itself Islamic republic and we went for the secular model, almost all Hindus were made refugees overnight and either killed, maimed or thrown back to India from east and west Pakistan, on the other hand, apart from few Muslims who went to Pakistan, majority of them stayed back in India, they were far to established and most of them trusted India's system for their future. Now we have the largest concentration of Muslims on earth, we too don't really know where their allegiance lies, some of them have been blatantly stupid to fly Pakistan flag during games of cricket here so the question mark remains, although there also have been many good soldiers who fought for India against Pakistan and were awarded medals for valor.

tankdriver · #90 07-17-2007, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dacia

I beg to differ.
India is a country where people routinely, and horribly, maim their children so they can be better beggars, where families live on sidewalks, where people don't have enough money to buy firewood so the dead are thrown into the Ganges half burnt, where people still practice female infanticide because girls are a liability to the family (obliged to give huge dowry when they get married), where the cast system is still alive and well, etc, etc.
An interesting movie to watch is Shocking Asia, a German documentary (not a recent production, however time is moving in a snail's pace in a few Asian countries).

"While India's growth makes it an economic and political player to watch in the next decades, the country remains desperately poor. Almost a quarter of India's 1.1 billion people live on less than $1 a day; 700 million more live on less than $2 a day.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/05/08/opinion/edhughes.php"

"According to the 1996 Human Development Report, 53 per cent of Indian children under five were underweight. 67 per cent of Indian births were unattended by health personnel. 64 per cent of Indian women were illiterate. Average these to get our Capability Poverty Measure (CPM): 61.5. That made us 89th among 101 developing countries the HDR ranked that year by their CPM."

"Income Levels and Poverty:

With over a quarter of the world's poor concentrated in India, poverty is the government's biggest priority.
Classified as a "low income" country by the World Bank with a GNI (gross national income) of $450.
Great inequality in the distribution of wealth: the richest tenth of households hold 33% of wealth, while the poorest tenth only hold 3%
29% of the population lives below the poverty line; 70% of these people reside in rural areas
86% of the population lives under $2 per day; 44% lives under $1 per day
25% of the population does not have enough money to eat adequately"

"Trafficking in persons:
current situation: India is a source, destination, and transit country for men, women, and children trafficked for the purposes of forced or bonded labor and commercial sexual exploitation; the large population of men, women, and children - numbering in the millions - in debt bondage face involuntary servitude in brick kilns, rice mills, and embroidery factories, while some children endure involuntary servitude as domestic servants; internal trafficking of women and girls for the purposes of commercial sexual exploitation and forced marriage also occurs; the government estimates that 90 percent of India's sex trafficking is internal; India is also a destination for women and girls from Nepal and Bangladesh trafficked for the purpose of commercial sexual exploitation; boys from Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Bangladesh are trafficked through India to the Gulf states for involuntary servitude as child camel jockeys"
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/in.html

"Focus (1): India

As John-Thor Dahlburg points out, "in rural India, the centuries-old practice of female infanticide can still be considered a wise course of action." (Dahlburg, "Where killing baby girls 'is no big sin'," The Los Angeles Times [in The Toronto Star, February 28, 1994.]) According to census statistics, "From 972 females for every 1,000 males in 1901 ... the gender imbalance has tilted to 929 females per 1,000 males. ... In the nearly 300 poor hamlets of the Usilampatti area of Tamil Nadu [state], as many as 196 girls died under suspicious circumstances [in 1993] ... Some were fed dry, unhulled rice that punctured their windpipes, or were made to swallow poisonous powdered fertilizer. Others were smothered with a wet towel, strangled or allowed to starve to death."
"A study of Tamil Nadu by the Community Service Guild of Madras similarly found that "female infanticide is rampant" in the state, though only among Hindu (rather than Moslem or Christian) families. "Of the 1,250 families covered by the study, 740 had only one girl child and 249 agreed directly that they had done away with the unwanted girl child. More than 213 of the families had more than one male child whereas half the respondents had only one daughter." (Malavika Karlekar, "The girl child in India: does she have any rights?," Canadian Woman Studies, March 1995.) "
http://www.gendercide.org/case_infanticide.html

So you are either purposely misrepresent the facts to protect the image of India (not the first time somebody from a third world country would do that even if you live in the US; if you were born in America you would have little reason to distort the truth unless India is more important to you than the US) or sadly misinformed.
Which one?

Regarding the religion issue, I wonder if the Indian Parliament would allow Christians to worship in the Indian House of Commons?

Alex

Have you ever been to India? Some friends of mine have gone there a few times doing charity work. We were talking about India over dinner, and I was surprised that even people who have been there had such a skewed view of the country. Like most Americans, they viewed India as full of terribly poor people and a few super rich. I was shocked when I mentioned something about India's middle class and one of them said, "really, there's a middle class? I didn't really see any." India's middle class is over 450 million people, 100 million more people than all of America.
American/Europeans go there prejudging, looking for what they want to find. And they'll find it. You can't have 1.1 billion people crammed into a space barely bigger than Texas and not run into poverty and the bad things poverty lends people to do. It also should be no surprise that there are plenty of uneducated people - if our government tried to provide education for a billion people it would collapse.
It's sad that any children are killed because of their gender. But that shouldn't paint all of India as a gender killing nation. Your article has 196 babies dying under suspicious circumstances in one year. While that is 196 too many, there were hundreds of thousands of children born, and the whole country has to bear the label of a few?
One of your citations also mentions that a 1/4 of the population is poor. That's 250 million people. The United States has 300 million people and is much richer than India. Naturally there are no poor people in America, right? People who write articles about Indians 'routinely maim their children' are absurdly stupid and ignorant. For the record, not one of my uncles/cousins/nieces/nephews (and in India, a cousin is a brother, a second cousin is a cousin -- I've got a big family) is maimed. Or begs. Or has killed a girl child.

I'm sure there's no exploitation of children in America either, considering how few people they have to police and the vast increase of resources relative to India. Rather than disdain India for not being as rich a country as ours, maybe trying to understand it before judging would be good.

As for the religion question, India is the 2nd most populous Muslim country in the world. There are many Christians, Jews, and every other faith in India, and there have been more prayers than just Hindu in Parliament. In fact, Christians are generally highly regarded in India for their charitable work with the poor. In India, there isn't really a concept of a dominant religion. Sure, Hinduism has it's ignorant fanatics like every other religion, but for the most part, Hinduism doesn't have a 'mine's the only right one and you better join me' attitude. Gandhi held prayer services with prayers from all religions.