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A264172 · #1 07-16-2007, 04:14 PM

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Isn't politics really the art of talking a lot without really saying anything at all?

The key to politics is having a 'handle of Mount Gay Eclipse' in the wings.

Botnst · #2 07-16-2007, 04:28 PM

I saw a couple of birds. Guess which one was prettier. One was covered by opalescent, regal feathers and the other was brown.

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A264172 · #3 07-16-2007, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

I saw a couple of birds. Guess which one was prettier. One was covered by opalescent, regal feathers and the other was brown.

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I'm having trouble seeing... what color are your feathers?

Medmech · #4 07-17-2007, 09:11 AM

I think is was dculkan that refuted an article because it came from the National Review.

Honus · #5 07-17-2007, 09:37 AM

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I think is was dculkan that refuted an article because it came from the National Review.

I did? And even if I did, what does that have to do with this thread?

A264172 · #6 07-17-2007, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

You got the wrong quote. I was referring to his original claim that the sniper-ridden Baghdad market was like an open-air market in Indiana. I was not referring to Pence's subsequent attempt to explain why he made such a preposterous claim.

Where is the right quote? Is it in one of the links? I have not seen it. What is the quote?

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What's relevant is that a United States Congressman lied through his teeth and his lie was so preposterous that it helped bring down John McCain's candidacy.

Is Pence McCain's campaign coodinator? I would think that 'McCain's' comments about the progress of the war would be what is causing his support to disapear. McCain's comments are in the links you posted, and they are a distortion of the reality of the market.

A thing cannot be 'like' another thing if it is not different than it.

Honus · #7 07-17-2007, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by A264172

Where is the right quote? Is it in one of the links? I have not seen it. What is the quote?

I can't find it either. I may be mistaken about that. In the quote that you cited, Pence refers to a previous statement he made about the Baghdad market resembling the one back home, but I am not sure that the previous statement made it into any media reports.

Either way, Pence is a fool. The quote you posted includes this:

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...I didn’t mean that Baghdad was as safe as the Bargersville Flea Market; I just meant that that was what it looked and felt like…lots of people, lots of booths and a friendly relaxed atmosphere...

A "friendly relaxed atmosphere"? With a 100 soldiers, 3 Blackhawks, and 2 Apache gunships? That is silly.

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Is Pence McCain's campaign coodinator? I would think that 'McCain's' comments about the progress of the war would be what is causing his support to disapear.

I am not aware of Pence having any role in the McCain campaign. I'm saying that McCain's credibility was further damaged by his being associated with a fool like Pence.

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McCain's comments are in the links you posted, and they are a distortion of the reality of the market.

So? Does that make Pence's comments any better?

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A thing cannot be 'like' another thing if it is not different than it.

Did someone say otherwise?

A264172 · #8 07-17-2007, 12:03 PM

I don't really know what the 'similar' comment was ment to imply...

But the snipers are not a part of the market. If they were to disapear tomorrow the market would persist. If there were snipers threatening the Bargersville Flea Market, all of America would be in favor of sending in the troops to help the merchants. So maybe he was trying to draw on the sympathys of the American people by showing everyday Iraqies in a light of familiarity. It sounds more honest a statement than "this market is as safe as a schoolhouse"...
I don't know Pence, but Graham is usually a well spoken and effective lawmaker who is in the unfortunate position of trying to back a loosing proposition. Too bad for him they diddn't assign the job to Hatch, whose vapitity knows no bounds. Then the irony could be complete, as we watched Orin purchase an orange through a tank porthole and pronounce over the PA... "market secure"... before hightailing it out of there at 50mph.

In any event the market comment may be a cause of indignation to some but shouldn't be. The wisdom of or lack of wisdom in, and the effevtiveness or ineffectivness of, the surge is the issue. Not whether the Tomato salesman's display in the Bagdad market is strikingly similar to John Everyman's back home.

cmac2012 · #9 07-17-2007, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by A264172

Where is the right quote? Is it in one of the links? I have not seen it. What is the quote?

Is Pence McCain's campaign coodinator? I would think that 'McCain's' comments about the progress of the war would be what is causing his support to disapear. McCain's comments are in the links you posted, and they are a distortion of the reality of the market.

A thing cannot be 'like' another thing if it is not different than it.

McCain never got Vietnam and now he's falling on his face on similar issues.

Medmech · #10 07-17-2007, 11:53 AM

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I did? And even if I did, what does that have to do with this thread?

It has everything to do with the thread because you cherry pick evidence and make no attempt to find anything that contradicts outside your own belief.

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By the way, I found Howitzer's source. It's John Perazzo, whoever that is. His article apparently appeared in Frontpage magazine and was quoted on the freeper site: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3ab7a4b04168.htm

I don't know who Perazzo is, but I wouldn't rely on the freepers for information.

Honus · #11 07-17-2007, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

It has everything to do with the thread because you cherry pick evidence and make no attempt to find anything that contradicts outside your own belief.

That is a ridiculous and baseless personal slur. What evidence have I cherry picked? And how in the hell do you know what I have done to find evidence to contradict my beliefs? If you are going to attack someone's integrity, you should have the courtesy to offer at least some basis.

Nobody will cite any evidence that contradicts the points I attempted to make in this thread, so it is hard for me to know what you guys are thinking. The best I have been able to read between the lines is that A264172, John Doe, and you think that I am off base for criticizing Pence's attempt to equate Baghdad with Indiana. If that is your point, I would appreciate someone saying so and explaining why. If that is not your point, I'm sorry. Contrary to JD's post, I don't claim to be able to read minds.