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Old 10-23-2007, 08:48 PM
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Old 10-23-2007, 08:54 PM
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If it is tame, why hurl it at all?
Because he sounds like someone who hasn't been abroad.
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Old 10-23-2007, 09:10 PM
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Because he sounds like someone who hasn't been abroad.
I'll bet he has but probably came away from his experience with a different lesson from yourself.

For example, I have lived and worked in several foreign countries over my lifetime and I think you and I have quite different perspectives as a result.

Ever read Mark Twain on that subject?

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Old 10-24-2007, 12:32 AM
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I'm talking about your insults to Gore and Kerry. Completely w/o substance. Use actual ammunition on them, it is there to be found.

Sorry that my honest appraisals appear as insults. Truth hurts, indeed.

Hmmm, are you criticizing someone for baselessly attacking a politician?

Gosh, that's novel. I don't think I've ever seen anyone do that here before.

I think you should cut Bot a break. I'm sure that his reasons for bashing Kerry and Gore are something like "didn't like the stare in his eye" or "just put out a weird vibe" or he could probably just tell from the way the guy speaks and looks, methinks.

I mean all those are valid ways of summing someone up, right? You don't really have to have any actual facts or information. Come on dude, even if it turns out that what they said wasn't actually what they said or even someone else said it or maybe no one else said it - it's true in essence.

You can identify with that, right?
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Old 10-25-2007, 12:44 AM
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You've...You sound like someone who's never been outside the US. Also, Canada is not the 3rd world.
Whether I've been outside the US, or not, isn't what drove my comment. What drove my comment was the fact that in the US, today, we have people who either; Arrived legally, and are waiting for the proper paperwork to makes its "glacial" appearance on some over-paid, barely breathing, government wonk's desk, for the next rubber-stamping...

O R . . .

you have the "few" that paid some con-artist 10, 20 or more-thousands of dollars to stuff a semi-trailer to over-flowing (ala: Nazi Consentration-camp style) and dump the survivors on our shores.

Or, you have foreign nationals COMING TO THE US BECAUSE THEIR GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTHCARE SYSTEM WON'T TAKE THEIR MONEY.

Ever hear of Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN.? Ever been there? I have. You have a Merry-Go-Round of the world rubbing your elbows in the hall-ways and elevators there. And that's just the doctors and nurses. You want to talk patients?

Yeah, it sucks to be them, in their own country. Where ever that may be...and that also includes Canada. Sick? Take a number and hope the bologna you're carrying turns greener than your appendage while you wait your TURN for a CHANCE to see a doctor in Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan, Canada.

If that isn't a glimpse at what the 3rd world experiences on a daily basis, then turn on the lights and open your front door. The guy sitting in the chair, next to you, may be from - not across the street, but from across the "pond" - like England or Germany. Or Moose Jaw itself.

AND, IN THE MEAN TIME...you have certain politians that can only point fingers and bad-mouth people TRYING to find a solution. Those folks are a dime-a-dozen and aren't worth the powder to blow them to hell. But, there are those folks, out there, that think those very politicians are the next messiah, coming to fix their little problems and make everything all better...just so long as the "...big, bad businessman pays back all the money he stole from you little folks..."

Kerry fragged himself with a ricochetted bullet fragment, from his own weapon.

McCain spent years as a POW.

Don't ever try to convince me that Kerry's 3 Purple Hearts as the same as McCain's.

And if any liberal radio talk-show host out there has the nads to out a "phony soldier" - More power (and air-time) to him.

But, until that day happens, someone has to show the rest of the world that BS is pumped out there on a day-to-day basis as FACT, when it's anything but.

And, when a family is trotted out in front of the media, and NOT ONE PERSON QUESTIONS THE PEDIGREE OF WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED AS FACT, the 1st Amendment, as well as the "Freedom Of The Press" has been damaged, to the detriment of all free people in the world, living and dead, soldier and civilian, public and private, rich and poor.

We are the United States of America. Those words, alone, inspire the hopes of all who dream of freedom and peace, more than any other 4-word phrases that man can utter (other than "In God We Trust").

But, those 4-words are for another thread.

And, any politian that thinks he's above those words, has broken his oath of office and should be locked up like the traitor/criminal that he is.
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Old 10-25-2007, 10:27 AM
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Whether I've been outside the US, or not, isn't what drove my comment. What drove my comment was the fact that in the US, today, we have people who either; Arrived legally, and are waiting for the proper paperwork to makes its "glacial" appearance on some over-paid, barely breathing, government wonk's desk, for the next rubber-stamping...

O R . . .

you have the "few" that paid some con-artist 10, 20 or more-thousands of dollars to stuff a semi-trailer to over-flowing (ala: Nazi Consentration-camp style) and dump the survivors on our shores.

Or, you have foreign nationals COMING TO THE US BECAUSE THEIR GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTHCARE SYSTEM WON'T TAKE THEIR MONEY.

Ever hear of Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN.? Ever been there? I have. You have a Merry-Go-Round of the world rubbing your elbows in the hall-ways and elevators there. And that's just the doctors and nurses. You want to talk patients?
No, I've never been to the Mayo Clinic. Ever been to the hospital in New Delhi? There's a good chance you find a doctor who spent some time at Mayo.

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Yeah, it sucks to be them, in their own country.
This is what makes you sound like you've never been outside the US. It seems you would be shocked to know that millions of people like their own country. People immigrate to the US, to Canada, to Europe, to Africa, and there are still people who like it back home.

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Where ever that may be...and that also includes Canada. Sick? Take a number and hope the bologna you're carrying turns greener than your appendage while you wait your TURN for a CHANCE to see a doctor in Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan, Canada.
Last time I was in Canada, I didn't see people dying in line for the doctor. I did find plenty of Canadians who would never consider moving to the US, and many who would only do so for a few years.

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If that isn't a glimpse at what the 3rd world experiences on a daily basis, then turn on the lights and open your front door. The guy sitting in the chair, next to you, may be from - not across the street, but from across the "pond" - like England or Germany. Or Moose Jaw itself.
The fact that people immigrate here is not a blanket condemnation of their own countries. Some people aren't happy with the way things are done at home, and some are.

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Kerry fragged himself with a ricochetted bullet fragment, from his own weapon.

McCain spent years as a POW.

Don't ever try to convince me that Kerry's 3 Purple Hearts as the same as McCain's.
I wasn't in Vietnam, so the last thing I would do is judge one veteran's wounds over another's. I'd point out that Pat Tillman was shot by his own men, so I expect his purple heart in your mind is worth less than another Afghan war veteran's.



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And, when a family is trotted out in front of the media, and NOT ONE PERSON QUESTIONS THE PEDIGREE OF WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED AS FACT, the 1st Amendment, as well as the "Freedom Of The Press" has been damaged, to the detriment of all free people in the world, living and dead, soldier and civilian, public and private, rich and poor.
There's a difference between questioning what's presented, and half assed blogger 'reporters' camping out outside the boy's home, making claims before proof.
Democrats have rebutted ther claims about the family
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1007/6278_Page2.html

"On Tuesday, Democrats released a point-by-point rebuttal of the criticisms of the Frost family, pointing out that the children were on scholarship to private school and paid only $500 annually for one child to attend, the family of six made only $45,000 in annual income and their property, which has a decent value now, was purchased for only $55,000 some 16 years ago, when the neighborhood was much less safe. And the state of Maryland verified that the Frost children should be eligible for SCHIP."

Also, lest you think the Dems are the only ones evil enough to use a kid,

"On a state level, Florida Democrats attacked Republican Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart for posing with handicapped Ukrainian kids at Miami’s Seaquarium on Monday after voting against the SCHIP measure last week, invoking Flipper in the process."

But, notice that the Dems haven't declared war on the handicapped children, instead attacking the Congressman.
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Old 10-25-2007, 12:13 PM
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I think you should cut Bot a break. I'm sure that his reasons for bashing Kerry and Gore are something like "didn't like the stare in his eye" or "just put out a weird vibe" or he could probably just tell from the way the guy speaks and looks, methinks.

I mean all those are valid ways of summing someone up, right? You don't really have to have any actual facts or information. Come on dude, even if it turns out that what they said wasn't actually what they said or even someone else said it or maybe no one else said it - it's true in essence.

You can identify with that, right?
You forgot sneers. Sneering is a big indicator of letharious behaviour.
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Old 10-25-2007, 12:16 PM
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You forgot sneers. Sneering is a big indicator of letharious behaviour.
Does the same hold true for a "snicker"?

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