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Old 10-06-2007, 08:08 PM
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The only one I've heard gnashing teeth about private competitors to NPR is you, on another thread.
I don't recall any of this. Provide URL.

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I don't think Limbaugh is competition for CPB, the closest comparison would be Bill Moyers who is as partisan as is Limbaugh - he is publicly funded.
Moyers has his POV but he is infinitely more open to listening to other opinion than Rush. The comparison is laughable. I saw him last night with a Rabbi and a Christian writer who has an insightful take on the rapture and dispensation crowd. Very good discussion and Moyers was mostly listening. Rush DOES NOT have guests on any of his shows that I can recall. It would get in the way of his wonderfulness.
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BTW, nobody on the other thread said they disliked CPB they just said they questioned government funding of it. No one here or on any other thread or in any other venue that I'm aware of has ever suggested Limbaugh be publicly funded.
It came into being because of public funding. Try to get it abolished. It has major support in the nation. Good luck. And, BTW, I'm questioning the public funding of sending a man to Mars. What sort of luck do you think I'll have?
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I do have problems following your train of thought at times. All I have to go on is what you write. My tinfoil cap clouds my psychic ability to a great extent. Perhaps you could just make it simple and present one thesis at a time and on the pertinent thread? Oh, and as the ***** slapee, I think that cuts me some slack in how I reply; maybe you could adjust your standards accordingly?
The incidents you complained of on this thread were not murky. Mind in gear before mouth (keyboard) in motion, young Peragro.

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Old 10-06-2007, 08:10 PM
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Take all the cash (read that as: Tax Dollars) the Left is spending on slamming the Right and put it towards the National Debt and we'd have a balanced budget with a month...
Too much sun there Megaburger? The right is tireless in blaming all the problems of the nation on the left.

Get real.
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Old 10-06-2007, 08:17 PM
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Too much sun there Megaburger? The right is tireless in blaming all the problems of the nation on the left.

Get real.
And the left blames the right.

That's for real.

Do you guys realize that you are only fueling Limbaughs radio dominance? I'll bet his recent ratings have increased substantially and he will ride this pony until the next Senate debate. I will also be the there will be other radio host copy cats saying anything the get listeners and press.

Nobody knew what The Daily Show was until they made the "Snipers Wanted" comment about Bush.
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Old 10-06-2007, 08:22 PM
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And the left blames the right.

That's for real.

Do you guys realize that you are only fueling Limbaughs radio dominance? I'll bet his recent ratings have increased substantially and he will ride this pony until the next Senate debate. I will also be the there will be other radio host copy cats saying anything the get listeners and press.

Nobody knew what The Daily Show was until they made the "Snipers Wanted" comment about Bush.
I'm know it goes both ways but I maintain the left has no one in Hannity's or Rush's non-stop doling out of blame.

I never heard the "Snipers Wanted" thing. You sure about that? Surely they know such remarks could land one in jail.
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Old 10-06-2007, 08:31 PM
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I'm know it goes both ways but I maintain the left has no one in Hannity's or Rush's non-stop doling out of blame.

I never heard the "Snipers Wanted" thing. You sure about that? Surely they know such remarks could land one in jail.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15454

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Old 10-06-2007, 08:34 PM
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I'm know it goes both ways but I maintain the left has no one in Hannity's or Rush's non-stop doling out of blame.

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Come on Cloony, Rosie, Barbara, Springsteen ect ect ect, the left has a big mouth piece.

Not to mention a Senator blasting a private citizen while in session.
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Old 10-06-2007, 08:46 PM
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Tell the truth now, did you speculate as much on what the actual intent was with Kerry's "get stuck in Iraq" gaffe?
The answer to your question is no.

That's because I don't know which gaffe you're talking about. There are many to choose from.

I'd be glad to have a look at it in context if you'll direct me to a link that's not associated with character assassination.
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Old 10-06-2007, 08:49 PM
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I don't recall any of this. Provide URL.

Moyers has his POV but he is infinitely more open to listening to other opinion than Rush. The comparison is laughable. I saw him last night with a Rabbi and a Christian writer who has an insightful take on the rapture and dispensation crowd. Very good discussion and Moyers was mostly listening. Rush DOES NOT have guests on any of his shows that I can recall. It would get in the way of his wonderfulness.
It came into being because of public funding. Try to get it abolished. It has major support in the nation. Good luck. And, BTW, I'm questioning the public funding of sending a man to Mars. What sort of luck do you think I'll have?
The incidents you complained of on this thread were not murky. Mind in gear before mouth (keyboard) in motion, young Peragro.
It's over on the Ken Burns thread. And, for the 4th time, I'm not trying to get PBS cancelled. I kinda like the shows it has, especially the space programs made possible by the space program and NASA - and used to be Monty Python.

Feel free to protest sending a man to Mars. It'll take much longer than Bush has been in office. I support it, you don't. It's both our right to have that opinion.
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Old 10-06-2007, 10:21 PM
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Oh well. No big. If you were writing for a newspaper or something, it would be much more important to double and triple check.

I saw that guy once and was not overly charmed. I'm even wondering how in the hell Conan O'brien is going to fill Jay Leno's shoes, but, different network.

I'm glad to hear that Stewart and company at the DS are not that stupid, though I'm starting to get somewhat burnt out on them anyway. Stewart can be damn good but he can get too cocky sometimes. He did an interview with Chris Matthews the other night and he was more of a hard baller than Matthews and it was a bit over the top. Matthews said "this is the book interview from HELL!!"

http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/index.jhtml?ml_video=104548
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Old 10-06-2007, 10:24 PM
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Come on Cloony, Rosie, Barbara, Springsteen ect ect ect, the left has a big mouth piece.

Not to mention a Senator blasting a private citizen while in session.
Yeah, I guess it's pointless to try to determine who of which faction is the most obnoxious. One big tango, tends to balance out.

However, I maintain, whatever sins Moyers has committed, the man is several orders of magnitude more open to airing actual honest debate, discussion, whatever, than Limbaloney.

Which private citizen you referring to?
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Old 10-06-2007, 10:29 PM
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The answer to your question is no.

That's because I don't know which gaffe you're talking about. There are many to choose from.

I'd be glad to have a look at it in context if you'll direct me to a link that's not associated with character assassination.
More of Peragro playing; "HUH? Uhhhh, I dunno."

Kerry said (approx.) "if you study hard, etc. you get a good job, etc. if you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

Listen, it pains me to have to stick up for the guy and that's really not my intent. However, I see little difference between, oh why repeat it: go to post #129, this thread.

This is what irks me about the Hannity, Limbaugh division. They cannot see past their bias for 2 seconds.
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Old 10-06-2007, 10:36 PM
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It's over on the Ken Burns thread. And, for the 4th time, I'm not trying to get PBS cancelled. I kinda like the shows it has, especially the space programs made possible by the space program and NASA - and used to be Monty Python.

Feel free to protest sending a man to Mars. It'll take much longer than Bush has been in office. I support it, you don't. It's both our right to have that opinion.
Better find the URL cause AFAIK, I have not complained about private media competing with PBS. I think both can exist just fine.

This phobia against having any public support of any media reminds me a bit of some die-hard Stalinist or Maoist turning in their neighbor for having sold a bit of produce for cash. "Ve vill not have any captialist doings in the Socialist Republic!!!"

CPB/PBS/NPR shows take up what, 1 or 2 % of bandwidth? And this is going to imperil private commerce? Have you seen replays of 50s television in the US? Good lord, it was mostly tripe and the adverrtisements were a drug pusher's dream (nicotine, that is).

PBS et.al. raised the standard and I'm not sure we need to pull the plug on them.

On the Mars thing, show me where in the constitution the pres. has a right to "extort" public money for that.
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More of Peragro playing; "HUH? Uhhhh, I dunno."

Kerry said (approx.) "if you study hard, etc. you get a good job, etc. if you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

Listen, it pains me to have to stick up for the guy and that's really not my intent. However, I see little difference between, oh why repeat it: go to post #129, this thread.

This is what irks me about the Hannity, Limbaugh division. They cannot see past their bias for 2 seconds.
Well, from your paraphrasing it sounds like he is intimating that soldiers in Iraq are basically dropouts that didn't study hard and that being a soldier in Iraq is not a "good job".

If you'd like to provide more so that I can look at it in context I might revise what my current opinion is. However, Kerry has been less than charitable to US troops in the past, to put it mildly, so I'm sure that his past behaviour should be taken into account when looking at the comment in context.

And sorry to disappoint you. I'm not a political junkie so I'm not always aware of what this person said or that person said. Esp. Kerry; he's not in danger of being President anymore so I kind of ignore him unless I need help going to sleep.
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Old 10-06-2007, 11:28 PM
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Better find the URL cause AFAIK, I have not complained about private media competing with PBS. I think both can exist just fine.

This phobia against having any public support of any media reminds me a bit of some die-hard Stalinist or Maoist turning in their neighbor for having sold a bit of produce for cash. "Ve vill not have any captialist doings in the Socialist Republic!!!"

CPB/PBS/NPR shows take up what, 1 or 2 % of bandwidth? And this is going to imperil private commerce? Have you seen replays of 50s television in the US? Good lord, it was mostly tripe and the adverrtisements were a drug pusher's dream (nicotine, that is).

PBS et.al. raised the standard and I'm not sure we need to pull the plug on them.

On the Mars thing, show me where in the constitution the pres. has a right to "extort" public money for that.
Ok, for the 5th time. I don't have any problem with PBS.

For your last comment please study how federal budgets are made. It has to do with more than just the President.
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Old 10-07-2007, 01:34 AM
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Well, from your paraphrasing it sounds like he is intimating that soldiers in Iraq are basically dropouts that didn't study hard and that being a soldier in Iraq is not a "good job".

If you'd like to provide more so that I can look at it in context I might revise what my current opinion is. However, Kerry has been less than charitable to US troops in the past, to put it mildly, so I'm sure that his past behaviour should be taken into account when looking at the comment in context.

And sorry to disappoint you. I'm not a political junkie so I'm not always aware of what this person said or that person said. Esp. Kerry; he's not in danger of being President anymore so I kind of ignore him unless I need help going to sleep.
This is the usual response. Of course, the damn lefties really knew that Rush was talking about that one actual phony soldier, not soldiers in general. But giving Kerry the very reasonable benefit of the doubt is out of the question.

No more context is needed, it's pretty much the gist of what he said. But it was a slip of his awkward tongue. He left out a few crucial words. The guy is actually a very boneheaded communicator. You haven't noticed?

Here's the post I asked you to look at cause I don't want to type it all again:

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Let's talk about hypocrisy. Rush is a sacred cow but Move-on.org are fair game? How many senators came out against Move-on??

And yes, I do suspect that Rush was referring to just the one soldier, the one actual phony soldier, in the first remark anyway. Last night on Abrams' MSNBC show, Lars Larson, the minor league Rush, remarked, when Abrams showed the footage of Kerry saying the "stuck in Iraq" remark and then the "botched joke" defense, that "it WAS NOT a botched joke!!"

Please. Kerry is a stumbling clod of a speaker but he's not a full on idiot. He is in no way going to get up and diss the troops like that. He meant to say Bush got us stuck in Iraq. He would be 1 million times more likely to try to diss Bush than the troops.


But ol' Lars wants us to understand what Rush was trying to say and in the same breath demonstrates that he is utterly unwilling to return the favor.

Lars Larson -- somehow manages to be a bigger horse's heine than Limbaugh, and that's saying something.
If you want to get a glimpse of what happened during the famous tossing of medals incident, consult your library resource and see if you can get the DVD of "Going Upriver: John Kerry's long war." No funds need be devoted to anything Kerry.

The thought may be anathema to you but as often as you reference it, it just might be useful to get a more full picture of it. What you refer to as him being unkind, etc. to the troops was very likely him speaking the truth of what was going down. Plenty of vets have said things were outta control.

I don't doubt that I could have behaved similarly. Trashing the guys was not the point, pulling the plug on the misbegotten lost cause of a disaster was the point.

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