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Txjake · #1 11-13-2007, 12:13 PM

I've always thought that anyone (or country) that is involved in commercial fishing should (read must) be required to repopulate what they take out of the water. we have never practiced sustainable fishing anywhere. The Japanese are the worst....

John Doe · #2 11-13-2007, 12:39 PM

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we have never practiced sustainable fishing anywhere.

The Japanese are the worst....

I personally have for ten years and know many that do similarly situated to myself.

With you on the Japanese though.

Botnst · #3 11-13-2007, 12:45 PM

The gone but not forgotten Zeitgeist worked as an observer on fishing fleets. Wish he could chime in on this issue.

A264172 · #4 11-13-2007, 07:31 PM

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The gone but not forgotten Zeitgeist worked as an observer on fishing fleets. Wish he could chime in on this issue.

Some neighbors like their fences.

A264172 · #5 11-13-2007, 07:32 PM

As to the topic of this thread, I sure hope they fix most of what's wrong with communism before we adopt it officially.

Gurkha · #6 11-16-2007, 10:55 PM

Matt,

Vedas are older http://hinduism.iskcon.com/tradition/1106.htm

The Vedas are considered the oldest Hindu texts. Scholars believe that they were written down some 2,500 years ago, though the tradition often dates them to the beginning of Kali-yuga (circa 3000 BCE). Some Hindus say that there was originally only one Veda, the Yajur, which was later divided into four. Scholars, however, usually consider the Rig-Veda the oldest of all Hindu writings.

The great Buddha is worshipped by Hindus and acknowledged to be the ninth in list of great beings who descended to earth, Buddha took the true gist of Hindu philosophy and made it simple for everyone to follow. Buddha believed in the Holy trinity of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva and many Buddhists temples will have Hindu beliefs depicted along with Buddhists. Unfortunately, ideal faith is not to everyone's taste, we are all weak and need symbols, idols and rituals and we resort to that ultimately.

All faith are eternally good, they all have eventually the same goal and thats why from centuries you will find similarities in their teaching, problem is we humans like to interpret all according to our convenience and convoluted senses.

By the way, no one ripped anything off the Bible, Karma is Hindu/Buddhist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_Hinduism concept in existence way before the Bible. Karma is linked to reincarnation, a very important aspect for a Hindu or a Buddhist, in simple terms, you reap in your what sow, if you don't follow the eternal good, you will pay for it in your next life.

http://hinduism.about.com/od/basics/a/karma.htm

The theory of karma harps on the Newtonian principle that every action produces an equal and opposite reaction. Every time we think or do something, we create a cause, which in time will bear its corresponding effects. And this cyclical cause and effect generates the concepts of (or the world) and birth and reincarnation. It is the personality of a human being or the jivatman - with its positive and negative actions - that causes karma.

Matt SD300 · #7 11-17-2007, 11:55 AM

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Matt,

Vedas are older http://hinduism.iskcon.com/tradition/1106.htm

The Vedas are considered the oldest Hindu texts. Scholars believe that they were written down some 2,500 years ago, though the tradition often dates them to the beginning of Kali-yuga (circa 3000 BCE). Some Hindus say that there was originally only one Veda, the Yajur, which was later divided into four. Scholars, however, usually consider the Rig-Veda the oldest of all Hindu writings.

The great Buddha is worshipped by Hindus and acknowledged to be the ninth in list of great beings who descended to earth, Buddha took the true gist of Hindu philosophy and made it simple for everyone to follow. Buddha believed in the Holy trinity of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva and many Buddhists temples will have Hindu beliefs depicted along with Buddhists. Unfortunately, ideal faith is not to everyone's taste, we are all weak and need symbols, idols and rituals and we resort to that ultimately.

All faith are eternally good, they all have eventually the same goal and thats why from centuries you will find similarities in their teaching, problem is we humans like to interpret all according to our convenience and convoluted senses.

By the way, no one ripped anything off the Bible, Karma is Hindu/Buddhist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_Hinduism concept in existence way before the Bible. Karma is linked to reincarnation, a very important aspect for a Hindu or a Buddhist, in simple terms, you reap in your what sow, if you don't follow the eternal good, you will pay for it in your next life.

http://hinduism.about.com/od/basics/a/karma.htm

The theory of karma harps on the Newtonian principle that every action produces an equal and opposite reaction. Every time we think or do something, we create a cause, which in time will bear its corresponding effects. And this cyclical cause and effect generates the concepts of (or the world) and birth and reincarnation. It is the personality of a human being or the jivatman - with its positive and negative actions - that causes karma.

There seems to be a lot of descrpencies on the net,.. on how old the oldest Hindu writings are??

I did find some consistency though...."Encyclopedias"...They date the Rig Veda to 1100 B.C -1700 B.C...............

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-38169/pantheism

http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/society/A0850572.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigveda

Gurkha · #8 11-17-2007, 08:53 PM

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There seems to be a lot of descrpencies on the net,.. on how old the oldest Hindu writings are??

I did find some consistency though...."Encyclopedias"...They date the Rig Veda to 1100 B.C -1700 B.C...............

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-38169/pantheism

http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/society/A0850572.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigveda

Well few years back it was the same Britannica which would do a token lip service of one paragraph to define Hinduism, it has changed now. India is ancient so lots of history is buried beneath but new archaeological digs come up every day and most of them point to the Vedas being much older than whats believed currently.

Matt SD300 · #9 11-17-2007, 09:31 PM

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Well few years back it was the same Britannica which would do a token lip service of one paragraph to define Hinduism, it has changed now. India is ancient so lots of history is buried beneath but new archaeological digs come up every day and most of them point to the Vedas being much older than whats believed currently.

Hey Gurk...that's on lines I was thinking..Lets take Judaism...You know the story...In the beginning....Got me thinking...Just because man has not found proof of text that dates past 2000 BC for Judaism or 1700 BC for Hinduism does "NOT" mean they did not exist centuries prior to the documented dates of the text..............

Gurkha · #10 11-17-2007, 09:39 PM

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Hey Gurk...that's on lines I was thinking..Lets take Judaism...You know the story...In the beginning....Got me thinking...Just because man has not found proof of text that dates past 2000 BC for Judaism or 1700 BC for Hinduism does "NOT" mean they did not exist centuries prior to the documented dates of the text..............

In that case, the world goes on cycles according to the Vedas so I am sure it did exist way before these dates if you are to go by the Vedas.

Age of religion and faith have no bearing on its word of values. As I said before eternal good exists in all,the concept can't be borrowed, it exists in all.

A264172 · #11 11-16-2007, 10:59 PM

I wonder if this whole oceans in peril thing somehow started with the multiplying of the fishes... I think a modern day Jesus woulda made their stomaches smaller.

cmac2012 · #12 11-17-2007, 06:34 PM

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I wonder if this whole oceans in peril thing somehow started with the multiplying of the fishes... I think a modern day Jesus woulda made their stomaches smaller.

I think maybe it was a multiplying of people. Some think we've already way overshot the carrying capacity of the planet (me among them) and that we're just living on capital now.

A264172 · #13 11-17-2007, 01:44 PM

My ancient religious texts are more up to date.

cmac2012 · #14 11-17-2007, 06:36 PM

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My ancient religious texts are more up to date.

A 3 pointer. Swish.

Gurkha · #15 11-17-2007, 11:09 PM

The link tells you all. Didn't the Persians pre date the Jews? Whats the oldest language in existence. http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/br/2003/02/11/stories/2003021100080300.htm

Thats all the evidence you need for the Vedas and I will repeat at the cost of being redundant, age doesn't make any faith superior to others. By the way, where did you get the theory that concept of Karma was taken by Hindus and Buddhists from Christianity.