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aklim · #46 12-06-2007, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gurkha

Its the other way around, if one is not with Israel and its agenda and acknowledge it as the absolute chosen people, he or she is UN-AMERICAN in that case

So you think we should part ways with Israel even if our agenda is the same just so we can cut the nose to spite the face? Or do you think Iran having nukes is a good thing?

Where did we have to acknowledge Jews as the chosen people? Who cares what they are chosen for? As I said before, if we could trust the arabs, I'd be for selling them barbed wire and Zyklon B. If you are so stupid that you believe the politicians when they tell you we have a moral obligation to the Jews, why don't you sit around with one eye open on the night of Dec 24 and see if you can see Santa Clause. If you even can THINK they care one whit about what happens to the Jews should the day come where we have no use for them, you are truly stupid and delusional. Next you will tell me we went into Iraq to give them democracy. Sorry, we did what we did and do what we do because we see a tactical benefit to ourselves. Politicians included.

Further to that, if you don't believe me, IIRC, there was an article that mentioned Israel, in 1998, was trying to reduce it's foreign aid money. Now why would you, I or anyone be so stupid as to refuse free money? If Iran wanted to wire money into my bank account, you bet I will take it. It spends the same as money from anywheres. In dog training we use the idea that NILIF. Same thing here. As long as we are having an influence on their budget, we get to call shots. Just like me living with my parents. They can tell me that they don't want me seeing this girl or doing that. When I move out, I do what I want. Lets face it, neither we, BFE or any country gives something for nothing. Think they are refusing money on principle? I think they are trying to wean themselves off because they want to grow up and do what they want instead of having to temper it with what the USA wants.

aklim · #47 12-06-2007, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

If India is doing so well why do they have lobbyist on the Capital steps with a collection cup? Once a beggar, always a beggar.

We may be able to ween Israel from the cash cows teet but India will always be asking for more.

What's wrong with that? As long as that money buys us some control in that region, who cares?

But do we want that? We can afford the money. As long as they cannot afford to be without, we get to have some influence. Do you want Israel to be running around like a loose cannon or at least shooting off in a direction we don't want them to shoot?

Gurkha · #48 12-06-2007, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

If you knew the history of FA to Israel you would know that they have asked the US to stop sending aid but a certain president refused their request.

If India is doing so well why do they have lobbyist on the Capital steps with a collection cup? Once a beggar, always a beggar. We may be able to ween Israel from the cash cows teet but India will always be asking for more.

India doesn't have to beg, record FDI ( http://www.economywatch.com/foreign-direct-investment/india-united-states.html ) from US have flowed in the last few months making it the most powerful stock market ever. How can India beg, it can't induce guilt or wave holocaust flag unlike Israel which has been milking US since its inception. Not only US has had to bear the cross of Israel from its creation days, now it has to cater to every failed military provocation done by Israel. Israel would cease to exist if US stopped aid, if thats the case come every election, major Jewish origin politicians in US are lobbying and shameless screaming about Israel and not US. Bobby Jindal ain't doing that, is he?

Don't worry about the Indian lobby in US, it has no impact on Indian politics period.

http://petras.lahaine.org/articulo.php?p=1688&more=1&c=1

Why condemning Israel and the zionist lobby is so important

“It’s no great secret why the Jewish agencies continue to trumpet support for the discredited policies of this failed administration. They see defense of Israel as their number-one goal, trumping all other items on the agenda. That single-mindedness binds them ever closer to a White House that has made combating Islamic terrorism its signature campaign. The campaign’s effects on the world have been catastrophic. But that is no concern of the Jewish agencies.”
December 8, 2006 statement by JJ Goldberg, editor of Forward (the leading Jewish weekly in the United States)

Now back to choir practice or was it naming dog turds Mohammed.

Medmech · #49 12-06-2007, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Gurkha

India doesn't have to beg,

But they do, that takes begging to a new level.

Don't cloud the issue with Israel.

aklim · #50 12-06-2007, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Gurkha

Don't worry about the Indian lobby in US, it has no impact on Indian politics period.

http://petras.lahaine.org/articulo.php?p=1688&more=1&c=1

I don't know about you but in my life, my observations, etc, etc, money has ALWAYS come with some strings attached. Be it from the govt, parents, siblings, friends, etc, etc. Now, if you have a source of totally free money, please let me know.

Again, do you have a better group of people to do your dirty work in a region like the ME? The Saudis, perhaps? Maybe Kuwait since we did liberate them?

Gurkha · #51 12-06-2007, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

But they do, that takes begging to a new level.

Don't cloud the issue with Israel.

Don't cloud the issue with India, its not about it anyways. India is not in a position to beg unless you think FDI is begging, in that case more power to it. Sadly it can't wave any flag of guilt or invoke religion and get mileage.

aklim · #52 12-06-2007, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Gurkha

Don't cloud the issue with India, its not about it anyways. India is not in a position to beg unless you think FDI is begging, in that case more power to it. Sadly it can't wave any flag of guilt or invoke religion and get mileage.

Does it receive any money without an exchange of goods?

Gurkha · #53 12-06-2007, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Does it receive any money without an exchange of goods?

http://www.economywatch.com/foreign-direct-investment/india-united-states.html

US investment in India
With regards to FDI U.S. is one of the largest foreign direct investors in India. The stock of actual FDI Inflow increased from U.S. $11.3 million in 1991 to US $4132.8 million as on August 2004 recording an increase at a compound rate of 57.5 percent per annum. The FDI inflows from the US constitute about 11 percent of the total actual FDI inflows into India.

Top sectors attracting FDI from USA are: Fuels (Power & Oil Ref.) (35.93%), Telecommunications (radio paging, cellular mobile & basic telephone services (10.56%) Electrical Equipment (including Computer Software & Electronics) (9.50%), Food Processing Industries (Food products & marine products) (9.43%), and Service Sector (Fin. & Non-Fin. Services) (8.28%).

India's investment in US
India's direct investment abroad was initiated in 1992. Streamlining of the procedures and substantial liberalization has been done since 1995. As of now, Indian corporate/Registered partnership firms are allowed to invest abroad upto 100% of their net worth and are permitted to make overseas investments in business activity.

The overall annual ceiling on overseas investment and also the requirement of prior approval of RBI for diversification of activity and for transfer by way of sales of shares have been done away with. The need for opening up the regime of Indian investments overseas has been the need to provide Indian industry access to new markets and technologies with a view to increasing their competitiveness globally

Since 1996 and upto September 2004, the total approved Indian investment abroad amounts to US $ 11083.11 mln, of which 60.9% has been the actual outflow. US share ($ 2080.367 mln.) constitutes 18.77% of the total approval. Since 1996, USA attracted highest Indian direct investments (US$ 2080.367 mn) followed by Russia (US$ 1751.39 mn), Mauritius (US$ 948.864 mn) and Sudan (US$ 912.03 mn). India's outgoing investments has been largest in the field of manufacturing (54.8%) followed by non-financial services including software development (35.4%).

In the current financial year 2004-05(April- August, 2004) actual outflows from India on account of overseas investment was US$ 575.14 million as compared to US$ 384.49 million in the corresponding period of last year. In the current year, USA attracted highest Indian direct investments (US$ 125.4 mn) followed by Australia (US$ 116.33 mn), Kazakhstan (US$ 39.05 mn) and Hong Kong (US$ 28.49 mn). India's outgoing investments was largest in the field of manufacturing at US$ 279.07 million followed by non-financial services (including software development) at US$ 75.27 million, Others at US$ 61.27 million and Trading Sector at US$ 30.3 million. The returns on account of repatriation of dividend, royalty, consultancy fee etc. from overseas JV/WOS during April-August, 2004 amounted to US$ 40.87 million.

The US investor community is increasingly sharing confidence in the future of the Indian economy presently. The growing synergy between the two countries in the technology sectors and mutually shared respect for democracy, rule of law and well established business practices have considered the two countries natural business partners from time to time.

Gurkha · #54 12-06-2007, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

I don't know about you but in my life, my observations, etc, etc, money has ALWAYS come with some strings attached. Be it from the govt, parents, siblings, friends, etc, etc. Now, if you have a source of totally free money, please let me know.

Again, do you have a better group of people to do your dirty work in a region like the ME? The Saudis, perhaps? Maybe Kuwait since we did liberate them?

There can't be any strings attached, its a question of guilt and of religious connotations.

Mistress · #55 12-06-2007, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

I do think that Rumsfelds departure is a good start.

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A264172 · #56 12-06-2007, 01:18 PM

When an 'intelligence' agency releases information about their target it's called 'politics', and it has as much resemblance to 'fact' as the relevant politician desires.

aklim · #57 12-06-2007, 01:21 PM

http://www.indianchild.com/foreign_aid_india.htm

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-170.html

http://www.heritage.org/Research/TradeandForeignAid/images/bg1186tab2.gif

aklim · #58 12-06-2007, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Gurkha

There can't be any strings attached, its a question of guilt and of religious connotations.

Again, what sources of free money do you know of?

aklim · #59 12-06-2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by A264172

When an 'intelligence' agency releases information about their target it's called 'politics', and it has as much resemblance to 'fact' as the relevant politician desires.

Question is, is it information or mis-information? Do intelligence agencies tell us the truth always?

Gurkha · #60 12-06-2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

http://www.indianchild.com/foreign_aid_india.htm

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-170.html

http://www.heritage.org/Research/TradeandForeignAid/images/bg1186tab2.gif

Well it has made every attempt to be self reliant unlike waving the flag and milking and lobbying. As the FDI indicate on both sides, it was mutually good for both countries. The aid has paid off. How much of the aid taken by Israel has been paid back to US?