I can across this tidbit today and wanted to share, it appears that in the modern era the godless types are on a killing spree.

http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/21416.html?1149342861

"One death is a tragedy; a million is a statistic."

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If you have no morality you cannot commit murder. All you can do is kill somebody...

Murder implies guilt.

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So its "people removal", gotcha. No Religion, No Harm No Foul.

So you're saying that if I don't feel guilt or remorse over it, it's not murder? 'Cause that would sure be handy...

"You see judge, I really felt he had it coming, and feel no remorse or regret what-so-ever, so let's just forget this whole murder thing, mmmnn-K? Thanks."

I thought that murder was what we called intentionally killing another, with certain variances for manslaughter factored in also?

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In a Atheist society you would not have laws like we do since they were written by Theist's.

So in order for you and I to agree not to kill each other I have to believe in your god? And to think all these years I just thought killing someone was jut wrong. Go figure. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

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Agreed. The difference between "murder" and "killing" is the intent of the person carrying out the action. It has nothing to do with a sense of guilt. I am certain there are plenty of people who have caused accidental death who feel tremendous guilt over having taken a life. That doesn't make them murderers.

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Murder: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought

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So other than religion, there is no compelling reason to agree to not murder each other?

Yes, people really believe this. No, it isn't so.

And mass-murder is another thing. It happens a lot in the quest for power, whether by atheists or in the name of the church.

Murder isn't only a moral issue, it's an action. Of course they can murder people.

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There are a lot of social mores that have their basis in religious doctrine, but they are no less valid for atheists than believers. Society needs rules in order to function satisfactorily. I don't believe your example that "murder" requires adherence to religious beliefs in order to have validity.

I'm sure our resident legal scholars can weigh in on this issue with some food for thought.

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So that means that killing somebody in the name of "God" is not murder?

I have a big problem with that website. Atheism is NOT a religion or cult! Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color.

HOWEVER, the 10 myths and 10 truths about atheism is a VERY good section and I strongly suggest that everyone read it.

You notice I never said that atheists are not moral people. They can be and they can feel guilt and so commit murder instead of removing a person that they feel deserves it. On the other hand, many religious figures have done the same people removal in the past and present.

What I am saying is that if you have no morality and therefore no reference to society, you are not commiting murder -- doesn't make it right...

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religious wars....

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